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posted April 18, 2012 02:32 PM |
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It was a nudge and incentive to make thoughts explicit.
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posted April 18, 2012 02:41 PM |
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Superior? Never said such, I simply said that sooner or later the weed is going to kill the flower, whether it wants to or not, it yearns to survive, as does the flower, both have their merits, but together they will be at an impasse.
For me a dandelion is as pretty as any rose, and I love 'em both in equal measure, there's no way for them to mutually co-exist, it's nature, the meek will be killed by the aggressor, irregardless of choice, its survival and the survival of its offsprings depends on the killing of the rose.
So what you're trying to say... is that you like roses and dandelions?
Anyway, my spider senses detect backpedaling.
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posted April 18, 2012 02:42 PM |
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We can't force muslims to become part of our culture, that's assimilation. I only want immigrants to actively search for job and learn the language.
But the main problems are not the immigrants themselves, but the immigration and integrations politics and policies.
kIn sweden, we just don't have enough jobs to offer analphabetic immigrants resulting in that over 8/10 of all somalis - the largest immigration group - don't have a job and live off wellfare (which is obviously a big cost). We can not support that kind of immigration. It is not sustainable.
You have to reconsider if expensive immigration is the best way to help people. I'm sure increased foreign aid would help A LOT more people in their own countries.
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posted April 18, 2012 02:49 PM |
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But the main problems are not the immigrants themselves, but the immigration and integrations politics and policies.
kIn sweden, we just don't have enough jobs to offer analphabetic immigrants resulting in that over 8/10 of all somalis - the largest immigration group - don't have a job and live off wellfare (which is obviously a big cost). We can not support that kind of immigration. It is not sustainable.
I would laugh if these misconceptions were not so common. Go read some actual statistics, outside of television and newspapers, and you should notice that Sweden is suffering a shortage on workforce.
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You are one step behind to racism. This general French attitude is what France is criticized for mostly. With the most of the best artists living in it, it is painful to see how this European country is called "the racists of Europe"
You have no clue about how it works, just throw words. There is no other country in the world which offer better immediate and long term assistance to immigrants from Africa. And probably this is why it sunk.
I vote hard right btw, call me how you like, I have my reasons.
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posted April 18, 2012 02:52 PM |
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posted April 18, 2012 06:14 PM |
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Remember to keep it civil, guys.
Anyway, I'm sure Poland isn't considered the top notch racist country only because no sane person immigrates here 
Oh, and people are mostly cowards. Indeed they mostly express their thoughts mostly in the Internet. The problem is that them not expressing their racism openly doesn't make it go away.
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posted April 18, 2012 06:26 PM |
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He isn't racist he has the Herostratus syndrom.
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posted April 18, 2012 06:40 PM |
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I would laugh if these misconceptions were not so common. Go read some actual statistics, outside of television and newspapers, and you should notice that Sweden is suffering a shortage on workforce.
You are funny and quite stubborn, not realizing that we have big problems with segregation.
No, we don't have a shortage on McDonalds personel and cleaners.
What there is, is a shortage on jobs that require an education. The average somali doesn't even succeed to get past elementary school and that is a huge issue.
But the statistics still say the same thing, over 8/10 of somalis don't have a job and live off wellfare. This is a group where we get atleast 20 000 more people a year and it is going to increase.
For iraqi immigrants, the number is about 60-70%. On average, it takes TEN YEARS for an immigrant woman to get a job. Child "poverty" is most common in immigrant families. The schools with the very lowest qualifcation numbers to high school are segregated ones with 90% immigrants. Where I live, there is a school where only 25% of the students pass. It has 96% immigrants.
Immigrants from these countries are overrepresented in crime statistics.
Segregation is a fact and it is time to stop living in a fairytale world and do something to break it and help these people.
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posted April 18, 2012 06:44 PM |
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The same can be said about all welfare in general. I would say it's a sign of them being smart - they know how to exploit it.
Instead of cultural segregation, I'd rather simply get rid of welfare. Or, if you want it to stay for some reasons - deny welfare to immigrants.
It kinda reminds me of Johnny Rebel's hilarious (and very racist) songs: if people are complaining so much about welfare, why do they keep it?
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posted April 18, 2012 06:53 PM |
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The thing here is that without wellfare, those people would be as poor as they were in their home countries. 100% of their income is wellfare (if they don't have a job ofc).
But there is a problem where wellfare makes unnescessary to get a job.
Personally, I think that child benefit needs to change. You should not be encouraged to make more kids that you can't support.
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The thing here is that without wellfare, those people would be as poor as they were in their home countries. 100% of their income is wellfare (if they don't have a job ofc).
Well, without resorting to banditry, they would have to work somewhere without welfare. Or they would starve  So I don't understand your argument. A minimal wage in your country is probably at the level of my country's "rich" person. For a third world country person, it's probably 10-20 times more than an average job in his country.
An immigrant working even for minimal wage will still be rich compared to people back in his own country. He can't be "as poor as he were" unless you can earn 100$ for a regular 160h per month job in Sweden
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posted April 18, 2012 07:11 PM |
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yeah but over a 100 000 uneducated and many times analphabetic immigrants can't get a job just like that
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posted April 18, 2012 07:13 PM |
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It usually takes ~15 years of Swedish govermentfunded education to get a swede working. Just sayin'.
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yeah but over a 100 000 uneducated and many times analphabetic immigrants can't get a job just like that
Without welfare, they would starve. Knowing that, they probably wouldn't bother coming to your country in the first place, no?
Solution to all problems of European countries: Stop racism, dump welfare. We don't need another Fuhrer, another "public enemy" and another bigoted, ridiculous mass of brainwashed people wanting to get rid of "those filthy immigrants". It reminds me of a band of apes with sticks. Brainless and disgusting.
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Because most somalis come here when they are 5 years old?
And 80% of all swedes don't have a job?
I don't understand your argument, its a completly different situation.
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Without welfare, they would starve. Knowing that, they probably wouldn't bother coming to your country in the first place, no?
Sweden is probably the most politically correct country in the world. That would neeeeeeeeeever be able to happen anyway and i'm a 100% sure the streets would be burning if wellfare was removed.
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Because most somalis come here when they are 5 years old?
And 80% of all swedes don't have a job?
According to official data, the unemployment in your country is 5%, not 80%.
And how do those 5 year olds come to Sweden? All by themselves?
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posted April 18, 2012 07:24 PM |
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Sarcasm?
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posted April 18, 2012 07:28 PM |
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I vote hard right btw, call me how you like, I have my reasons.
OK, end of discussion.
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posted April 18, 2012 07:50 PM |
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OK, end of discussion.
Don't be silly, far right is far better than the pansy welfare addict liberals.
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