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posted April 22, 2012 03:26 PM |
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I think that totalitarian societies are based on violence.
Russia was totalitarian from its beginning up until some 20 years ago. Would you say Russian society is, or was, based on violence, hate and ignorance? I wouldn't. Nor is that of my country, especially among immigrants. Totalitarian regimes, yes. But society, hardly, especially when speaking about those who move away from those regimes.
The issue here is a stubborn kind of mentality chained to the minds of a lot of (especially uneducated) immigrants from remote places. It uses the veils of tradition, religion and ethnicity to root itself even deeper when surrounded by a foreign culture and "threatened" by assimilation.
Which is not a Muslim thing, of course. Wherever Europeans migrated throughout history - from Brits to Frenchmen to Russians - they shoved their culture, religion and tradition with guns and sabers down the throats of whoever already lived there. If, of course, European culture wasn't already present there. We can babble on about how easily we integrate in white Christian societies, because our native ones are white and Christian. Whites can protest against migration now that it's their lands that are being settled, but when it was them settling everywhere, it was a wonderful thing.
Karma is a *****.
MOD EDIT: Appropriate censoring.
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posted April 22, 2012 05:55 PM |
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is it really a problem about migration, or more simply it is a problem between "us" and "the others"?
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posted April 22, 2012 06:29 PM |
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is it really a problem about migration, or more simply it is a problem between "us" and "the others"?
Who's the us, and who's the others?
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fauch
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posted April 22, 2012 07:13 PM |
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depends on who is talking of course.
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posted April 22, 2012 07:18 PM |
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Your use of 'us' means that it's a point of view that you share, and one you consider that some of us affiliate with, hence why the question is directed at you  . (it's either view/ ethinic background/ social standing et cetera that you allegedly share with some seemingly illusive people)
Since your statement was cryptic, I asked for an elaboration. (to clearly see your position)
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posted April 22, 2012 09:54 PM |
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no that's not my point of view. I used quotation marks. but that's the way many people seem to see things.
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posted April 22, 2012 10:51 PM |
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Intigration problems, or us vs them?
I think its the first one.
Step 1: Ghetto
Step 2: Problems
Step 3: People get aware of said problems, and extrapolate them, and then generalize
Step 4: It would be a racist thing to admit there is problems with such a thing, so it won't get fixed
Step 5: Problems grow because its ignored
Step n: Problem is large enough to be a serious issue, and the extrapolators are finally numberous enough to maybe fight back. Problem ensues.
You can say a lot of bad things about the jews, but they did a good job at intigrating back in the day.
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posted April 22, 2012 11:15 PM |
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Are we talking about the same Jews that have been labelled child eaters and devil worshipers and have been facing pogroms for most of the past millennium or so more or less anywhere they went? Because of which Isabella begged the Pope to send the inquisition to Spain?
No, those guys couldn't integrate if their life depended on it. Literally. The problem with them was that they were too successful, as well as too ethnically/traditionally/religiously aware. An incredibly screwed up combination.
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posted April 22, 2012 11:24 PM |
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The "irony" was that the jews was not that different from the rest of the upper and middle class. Then again, it might be the definition of intigrated i use. When The Spanish Empire decided to kick out all the Muslims and Jews, cuz they where not Cathloics, a few things went straight to snow, which means that both groups had intigrated into vital functions of a society(vital to its link to other societies).
A complete cultural assimilation? Even in the 1940s the different between the Germans was the Jews could be spotted in their "cleanness", or at the least some claim. You are be right for your definiton.
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posted April 23, 2012 12:21 AM |
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I don't think the jewish situation can be compared to this.
The jew thing was just racist but things happening now are actual problems that need to be taken care of (in humane ways).
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posted April 23, 2012 01:27 PM |
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Breivik chose not to shoot one person at the Island, because he "didn't look marxixt". What do marxists look like I wonder...
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posted April 23, 2012 01:33 PM |
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What do marxists look like I wonder...
To each his own.
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posted April 23, 2012 02:18 PM |
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A typical Marxist:
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fauch
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posted April 23, 2012 03:17 PM |
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do you think that breivik is really human? he sounds like a terminator or something...
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 23, 2012 03:19 PM |
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Actually Breivik sounds more human than the rest of you, you busy little bees.
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posted April 23, 2012 06:49 PM |
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I haven't read this thread in its entirety, as I'm about seven days behind, but I've read excerpts, so I'll say this once:
Keep it civil or I'll close the thread. Watch the racist comments or I'll close the thread. And stop poking at each other, or I'll close the thread.
I'll go back and read this more carefully, but in the meantime wanted to remind you all that I'm here and I'm watching. 
EDIT: And bak, watch the uncensored (or improperly censored) cursing.
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posted April 23, 2012 07:50 PM |
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Actually Breivik sounds more human than the rest of you, you busy little bees.
what are we supposed to understand?
Didn't he say that he trained himself to not feel empathy for his victims?
seriously, the guy seem just like terminator, he acts like a machine with the goal to kill some specific targets to save our future.
the fact he apologized for some victims, but not the one he intended to kill anyway is quite interesting no?
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posted April 23, 2012 09:52 PM |
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what are we supposed to understand?
Didn't he say that he trained himself to not feel empathy for his victims?
There is no training involved to do that,just alot of dis humanizing the target.
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seriously, the guy seem just like terminator, he acts like a machine with the goal to kill some specific targets to save our future.
Really? Save us from what? 70 Swedish children becoming Illuminati agents?
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the fact he apologized for some victims, but not the one he intended to kill anyway is quite interesting no?
Subject to the eyes of the beholder.My answer is no,its disgusting.
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posted April 24, 2012 01:10 AM |
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There is no training involved to do that,just alot of dis humanizing the target.
and it's not something you can do just because you decide to do it. when it comes to wars, there is a great effort of propaganda to deshumanize the enemy, it's a process which takes time.
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Really? Save us from what? 70 Swedish children becoming Illuminati agents?
I'm not him, I don't know what he is mad enough to think
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Subject to the eyes of the beholder.My answer is no,its disgusting.
yeah. also. but it is also frigteningly rationnal. it's like those nazis criminal. it makes this guy particurlarly dangerous.
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posted April 24, 2012 08:40 AM |
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70 swedish children? do you not mean norwegian?
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