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samiekl
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posted March 31, 2008 06:24 PM |
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2008 07:38 PM |
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Quote: Just watched really funny replay. Arcane archers 105 of them hit black dragon with 5096 damage, killing 16 of them, while few momments before 32 emeralds hit same black dragon stack with 5380 damage. Arcanes got lucky. Stil, it wasn't Ossir, as some of you probably think, otherwise at lvl30 you should add 75% damage to a total of almost 9000 damage. Both heroes were around lvl 30.
So, we all agree that arcanes aren't imba, but lets look to some other lower lvl units and see how many of bears, golems, minos, footmans,... will take to do that kind of damage, not to mention doing it in first strike
Better yet, lets skip lvl 3.
Will go for lvl 4. ....
Make it lvl 5.
Nothing, yet.
lvl 6 - probably few of them can mach this damage, but you got to do it in first turn.
So, here's an interesting question (haven't tried it so I would really like to know, if someone can answer):
How many flame lords, paokai, pit spawn, champions, wraiths, ...
do you need to do that kind of damage, in first strike? Or better yet what month does have final battle to take place, so you could amass such amount of lvl6, considering normal gameplay in terms of building order, costs, ... Or how many of them will survive next shoot from that same stuck of carefully shielded arcane archers.
So I will say it once again: yes there are major imbalances in tote such as: stalkers, flaming arrows with triple ballista, dv, but most of all: arcane archers. Because you can agree on no hit and run and reduce warlock advantage, you can kill ballista (easist way with arcanes, spells, sabotuers, other ballista), you can resist dv, but meeting split stack of arcane archers with ossir or wyngaal is hardest of them all. And if you "balance" all except them, what is left next time when you face arcane "flaming arrows" archers. Taking away swift mind sure is not gonna help.
So fixed them all, 4 or 5 what's a difference.
I'm for fixing them as well ... i have no problems in doing that. But keep in mind how fragile they are and their, almost every final battle, 1 time use.
If we're at the fixing thing, let's fix the sprites too, give them something (maybe advanced summoning ?), dryads are the must have of the season.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted March 31, 2008 10:55 PM |
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Could you please update the master post with the current changes approved and debated, as we shouldn't scroll down through 6 pages of text to understand what people are talking about...
@Samiekl
Vezi, am batut eu la cap pe toata lumea suficient de mult ca trebuie un mod, si baietii s-au apucat sa il faca...
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2008 11:24 PM |
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Oare chiar or sa-l faca?
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted April 01, 2008 07:26 AM |
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Edited by DIEGIS at 15:04, 01 Apr 2008.
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Quote: Could you please update the master post with the current changes approved and debated, as we shouldn't scroll down through 6 pages of text to understand what people are talking about...
@Samiekl
Vezi, am batut eu la cap pe toata lumea suficient de mult ca trebuie un mod, si baietii s-au apucat sa il faca...
good idea!
to okraine: asa e frate, esti tare biun
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The_Mysterious
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 12:36 AM |
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Quote: 1. Diminish Stalker invisibility effect.
What!? Herecy... you can't be serious.
Would only make Stalker comepletely useless...
What's wrong with people? Those aren't necessary neither...
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 12:37 PM |
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So, what do we do with the 5th TOH MOD component - arcane archers? Now, they are better than Master hunters in respect to damage (no range penalty, -50% defence) and initiative. Perhaps reducing initiative to 9 OR reducing attack dmg to 6-7 would do?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 12:47 PM |
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Two days before i played on Dragon Pass against honorable player, baron, i started on position 4 as Sylvan, i was lucky and get shackles... He was Dungeon, his first hit@run was more like hit@die Game Over . After game he accused my i used best start position on map, Sylvan are imba, so almost i cheated ... I proposed second game, were he started as Sylvan on position 4 ... In one week he start comments like - Freaking elf's, no wood, archers to week, too easy to loose ... Maybe game are not so imba ... Maybe imbalances are in our minds
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 03, 2008 12:50 PM |
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I think -1 initiative, -2 damage would be fine. Average initiative and still good damage.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 02:13 PM |
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Quote: So, what do we do with the 5th TOH MOD component - arcane archers? Now, they are better than Master hunters in respect to damage (no range penalty, -50% defence) and initiative. Perhaps reducing initiative to 9 OR reducing attack dmg to 6-7 would do?
Fix sprites !
Reduce damage only, they're a 1-time shot anyway, if you reduce initiative, they'll be killed by every other archer/hero out there. If you need to reduce initiative, then boost their hp to make up for that.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 02:37 PM |
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Quote: Fix sprites !
What about them? Cute, half naked nymphs... The only thing I'd like to improve is to add ability "come out of the screen"
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 02:50 PM |
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Quote: Two days before i played on Dragon Pass against honorable player, baron, on Dragon Pass, i started on position 4 as Sylvan, i was lucky and get shackles... He was Dungeon, his first hit@run was more like hit@die Game Over . After game he accused my i used best start position on map, Sylvan are imba, so almost i cheated ... I proposed second game, were he started as Sylvan on position 4 ... In one week he start comments like - Freaking elf's, no wood, archers to week, too easy to loose ... Maybe game are not so imba ... Maybe imbalances are in our minds
I've heard talks about your epic games. I want to rumble with the legend !
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 02:52 PM |
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Quote:
Quote: Fix sprites !
What about them? Cute, half naked nymphs... The only thing I'd like to improve is to add ability "come out of the screen"
Basically no one upgrades to the yellow ones. NEVER.
While you might get master archers if you have horned bow and/or playing against orc for rage killing, etc. you will never, ever get the silly sprites !
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 02:58 PM |
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I think it's time to start anti mod tread
To Valkyrica - you are veteran of TOH, so you more like a legend
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FoolishMan
Known Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 05:56 PM |
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Quote: Two days before i played on Dragon Pass against honorable player, baron, i started on position 4 as Sylvan, i was lucky and get shackles... He was Dungeon, his first hit@run was more like hit@die Game Over . After game he accused my i used best start position on map, Sylvan are imba, so almost i cheated ... I proposed second game, were he started as Sylvan on position 4 ... In one week he start comments like - Freaking elf's, no wood, archers to week, too easy to loose ... Maybe game are not so imba ... Maybe imbalances are in our minds
i thankfully didn't play against infinitus for a long time (my 2nd and 3. game was against him we agreed to play dragon pass next but never played it although i asked him some time ago) i can say he looked nice back than ,but now i also hear this and from my friend(not the dungeon player in the text above) about the same Dragon pass map where he creates a game chooses number 4 (without asking) spot because he has external dwelling (green dragons) and acts like it's totally normal ,if you don't know map and don't notice it's totally fine ,he gets 4-6 more dragons so it's nothing really
so everybody watch out
to me it looks very dishonorable ,so much starving to get points
larry fanoga
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 03, 2008 06:22 PM |
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Hmm thanks for the warning.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 06:46 PM |
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I play this days only RMG size huge, last game on Dragon Pass was because i can't play with my opponent on rmg, game crash then try to join room ...
Dragon Pass remain one of my favorites maps ... All players that think start position n4 imbalanced, are invited to play it against my ...
To Elvin - you do not need any advise, we don't have common battleground
To Foolishman - for sure you are better map maker compared to UBI/Nival... I proposed you second game on Dragon Pass, many time pass 2 weeks - 1 month, don't remember, you came and ask for game on Dragon Pass, i said i play now RMG, because played too many games on DragonPass, get bored by this map ... If you still want Dragon Pass welcome ...
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 06:52 PM |
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Would moderator be so kind as to remove spam that's not related to the thread subject?
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FoolishMan
Known Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 07:17 PM |
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Quote: I play this days only RMG size huge, last game on Dragon Pass was because i can't play with my opponent on rmg, game crash then try to join room ...
Dragon Pass remain one of my favorites maps ... All players that think start position n4 imbalanced, are invited to play it against my ...
To Elvin - you do not need any advise, we don't have common battleground
To Foolishman - for sure you are better map maker compared to UBI/Nival... I proposed you second game on Dragon Pass, many time pass 2 weeks - 1 month, don't remember, you came and ask for game on Dragon Pass, i said i play now RMG, because played too many games on DragonPass, get bored by this map ... If you still want Dragon Pass welcome ...
sorry for off topic
the point is not that it's hard or easy playing by any faction on any map ,but on that on position 1-2-3 on dragon pass you don't have 7lvl dwelling for sylvan and on position 4 you have and many people didn't know that and that is the obvious reason why you started from that position ( not from 1-2-3)so if that's not an advantage i don't know what is
and about playing you maybe sometime i asked you some time ago so now i play only hg(kidding)
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 07:47 PM |
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Wrong, two level 7 dwellings on Dragon Pass ... No one is on start position 4. One is in low-left corner of map, second in up-right corner of map ... Study better maps then you want to accuse someone...
P.S. It's possible to move this discussion in topic like "Dragon Pass balanced or not ? "
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