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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 12, 2009 08:30 AM |
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About not getting a basic perk I used to think it is a mistake as well but once in my life the game refused to get me motw till my wizard reached lvl 23 and had the final battle. No matter what I tried, what I skipped, how long I waited it simply did not appear. It CAN happen 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 08:48 AM |
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In my last game with zilo on lvl 25 game not offer me with Wizard MOTW once!
BTW Strider can you be less offensive to Kispagat? I know he can play good enough. If he is n00b why you losse 2 games?
I can prove he is right about your lack keeping word for play when you promise. All my argue with you start because you keep me half day to wait for cotinue save and you gone to play poker. Its was very rude from you. If you want respect from ppl you need to respect them in real with your action.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 09:28 AM |
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1. Of course, Firedragon can win. What Tower meant was probably that matchup with Kis was full of emotions and turns of tide worthy of final.
2. In general, there is 100% chance to get native perk with correct choice of level-ups (except Nadir). The problem is in temptation to take smth good offered. This way i also wasn't able to catch rain of arrows perk.
Basic message in previous post was that there are many non-perfect details in most of games for both adversaries. What amazes me that Kis and others claim being unlucky when everything is not perfect.
I'm absolutely sure that with Dwarven set he would slaughter me even without empowered spells or swift mind - the opportunity for win WAS there!
As for other games - see the thread. In general, i'm fine if outcome of, for instance, 50% probability ranges 40-60%. But i feel screwed if probability of 7% works or if 40% turn out 80%.
3. Look at my first post after the game - no offenses there. I was forced to retaliate when i read Kis unfair accusations and whining about misfortune that he brought upon himself. Imagine, in last 3 months we progressed from silence to again a normal chat concerning sports and other stuff without ever complaining about time issue. And now i read how tortured he was and how i left him crying in dark if i couldn't play. What is the name for such behavior?? I got angry and now you read about it. As i said - sadly so...
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted May 12, 2009 12:20 PM |
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Hohoho Strider... we appreciate your added description of the game, but it was not necesary to change your previous statement about Kispagat's game 
While I agree with some of your points, like strike-out strategical mistake and sub-optimal final battle performance from Kispagat, the others are pure speculation. Also that final battle would've been hopeless however he would've played it imo(maybe closer though), as the whole game probably was from the start.
Kispagat had very good artifacts indeed, but you forget to mention that he visited 4 artifact merchants for those, and defeated two garrisons, a thing that you didn't do... so of course he should expect to have much better artifacts, or artifact advantage at least.
Also you make it sound like assembling full dwarf set is a piece of cake, but even zilo didn't take tent week 5 in game vs. me, so that's not such an uncommon thing. Not that taking the tent is an uncommon thing, but with some evil guards, it can prove to be a challenging thing and bloody for the scouts.
And complaining about spells is insane, when you can easily get them from tome... Of course you have to sacrifice shield, but for a full power Master of Wrath, that shouldn't be a problem, but you probably didn't have it
In the end, you're wrong about what I said ... no offense to FireDragon who is a good player, but I consider his chances of succes as high as 20% in the final unless he pulls some magic rabbit, while Kispagat's chances were close to 40%.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 12:50 PM |
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In the end, you're wrong about what I said ... no offense to FireDragon who is a good player, but I consider his chances of succes as high as 20% in the final unless he pulls some magic rabbit, while Kispagat's chances were close to 40%.
When caesar start Firedragon was clear second most weak from all players after Jinxer. But now half year later he play alot better. Heroes 5 games can bring alot suprises. So i think match is 60/40 for Strider. Hope less drama and more fun comments and replays.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 01:23 PM |
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I'm glad that Firedragon doesn't read forum - what you say is a bit humilating. I bet he sees the chances in different light 
Tower, i'm not the one complaining about opponent's arts hehe Also, consider how "unlucky" he was entering center with 330 mana for dungeon (without cleaning tunnels)  That's like one in a hundred games. His spellpower before all garrisons was 42. Surprising is that Kis believes opponent shouldn't have any matching arts 
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted May 12, 2009 01:45 PM |
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I as one of the few women in TOH will tell u how u (men) look from distance.
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However, seems that arrogance of this lucky sucker is beyond such gratitude emotions Statement like below (and they are piling up) boils my blood:
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But, its not because of my luck, I am convinced that Strider made a calculation failure on my movement.
When Strider lost the game with Helmar he cried like Joker aka Jinxer. Moreover he found excuses, said Kis didn`t beat him in strategy but because of the game flaw etc., because he is lucky sucker....Everything in life is luck and chance. Strider u don`t have the right to offend Kispagat , nobody told u u are stupid not to calculate the movement or death knight blow. I know the reason - if someone tells u something u will right a whole poem while Kispagat is not such person. Everybody keeps telling what mistakes he did. He may have done yes, but that is not the way to tell it. When u Strider are riding the lucky horse everything is alright but when someone else is riding it u behave like a woman("bla bla bla"). You don`t have the right to accuse Kispagat that he is whining when u have done the same and not only once. In all my games versus you u were talking in the key moment and we both know why
Everybody sees mistakes of Kispagat but if he played differently then Strider would play differently too. And from distance it is more easily to calculate when u see how the battle goes in the future.
My personal advice to Strider is to stop behaving so arrogantly because it is second issue with this trait of his.(sq and Kispagat)
In the end, you will play only hotseat.
Kispagat is normal to get angry, I understand you perfectly but man you are the only one that beat Strider 3 times. I propose Ves gives u some type of medal Yes , you made mistakes with emp. spells , diagonal placement but it happens even to the best. But here Strider is right - the best player is determined in consistency and cold blood.GL HF
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 12, 2009 01:53 PM |
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Attagirl!
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 02:43 PM |
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Oh my God !
The cocoon period has ended ! And what a beautiful butterfly has emerged from that bitter larvae.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 02:58 PM |
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natalka, wanna be my girlfriend?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted May 12, 2009 03:25 PM |
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Oh my God !
The cocoon period has ended ! And what a beautiful butterfly has emerged from that bitter larvae.
Butterflies only live 1 season after there transformation  And Beauty is only skin deep.. Bitter Larvae is always gonna be on the inside.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 03:51 PM |
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Since you whined about time issues several months ago, we have always arranged play time.
Yes, we arranged it, and mostly you did not keep them. Usually you were late 30-40 mins no matter if u were online or not, and several times you simply did not come. No warning, message or anything. Even tough I asked, demanded and bagged you were not able to tell me any occassion how long you are free.
Also, never has there been a situation where i save and quit
Right, it happened like this. "I save now." my answer "k, when can we play next?" "dont know yet, maybe tomorrow, I will tell you tomorrow evening" And then I was waiting, waiting and waiting.
Problem for dragging game so long is also partly on your shoulders that you conveniently didn't mention. Namely, he can play only starting from 22.15 my time and no wonder that i offered saves around 12-2 a.m. or was too tired.
I told you that for sure I can play on each and any nite from 9.15. I told you that occasionally we can play in weekends and even in weekdays mornings. I am working just as you, I have 3 children I told you. I need to take care of my family also. Thats why I was very upset, when we arrenged a weekend fight, and you disapperead. Btw what usually happened is that I was there from 10 zr time, and you came around 23 or 23.30 your time.
But the most surprising is that i never heard you complaining about this...
This is an ultimate lie. Several times I explained to you, that if we arrange a fight, especially in weekend, I need to organise my family program also. So when you are not coming, you screw my and my whole family's weekend. It happened more than 4 times. I mentioned that to you and some other people, but also you can ask Zilo about it. The only thing what I should have done to write instantly to hc and make a post. That was my biggest mistake in this 5 games.
Hopefully, stabbing-in-back manner is not part of your personality but rather bitterness about defeat...
Not stabbing in back, I told you several times what my problems are, and also I told Zilo. Check it.
As for your so called "bad luck" i have expressed my opinion in previous posts Please, note also all those who complain about great luck factor in heroes - in long game most things can be substituted or plans B or C implemented. The only arguments about unfair luck factor i accept are those based on probabilities and one place where it is too late to counter it - final battle. Concerning latest game, below are my comments.
1. Strike-out was error on your part.
Maybe.
2. Bad start for you?! Yrwanna with bloodwitches and Lethos with mana pool of 90 at start of week 2 is bad?! Week of fever surely hit sylvan harder. You had blackies near castle but i had 16 titans and almost no army...
I wrote bad starting arties, and black dragons at the monolith. That was my first impression.
3. Lost initiative battle?! Look in manual and compare native initiative of troops. Your dragons even with 30% ini would still go after wind dancers and this comparison goes on. Funniest is that you again regard it "natural" that you have mega arts and whine about opponent having some as well even i cleared the center hehe
Thats why sylvan is the best dungeon killer, but otherwise yes, I lost initiative battle.
4. Bad arts for you?!
I did not wrote anything like this.
All my arts for final battle except one came from the center that i visited on week 4.
Ye, thats why I think that especially in this map, where there are only sunken where you can find free arties, you were very lucky on this side of the game, cuz even without swift mind and empowered I have a chance if you dont get celerity, dragon armor and lion's crown.
5. What about spells?! For the 4th game in a row i did't have haste in guild. No righteous might either - both spells are crucial for this setup.
6. Level-ups?! Yes, this was terrible bad luck or mismanagement for you to lack empowered spells. Tell us - did you skip it somewhere in beginning? Swift mind was also crucial. Here you really suffered... I had cleansing but was never offered master of blessings that was big blow to counter Lethos special. My generally weak sylvan hero Talanar also lost his primary purpose when "retribution" plan failed.
Ye, I skipped once empowered for logs earlier on. Talanar is not a weak hero, only not the best.
7. But most of all i think you let the victory slip out when you didn't gather Dwarven set even though you had a time window and unnatural mana pool for dungeon. How on the earth it is not possible to take tent in 5 weeks?!
I had no chance for that, even if I have the keys. You can easily stop me to do so, and you know it. According the info what I had that time, I could force a week 5 day 3 battle, if I rush there. But at that moment, you need to skip balrogs, but you have all army with you, and I dont have swift mind and empowered nor distract, and I cant afford to buy my whole week 5 army.
I call this simply - profound mistake unworthy of Caesar contender.
No comment.
8. Final battle. Sorcery bad??, army composition, deployment, witches movement, circle of winter - to my experienced arena mind that all seemed so erroneous that i won't even comment here. My Lion's set... i cast mass spell with swift mind. Ofc, my second cast would be before your hero even with 15% distract hindrance. Yes, it let me move up a bit but it was relatively very little as with hasted sylvan units this bonus is much smaller.
I even got a bit angry to observe your lack of arena skill after so loooong game 
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Conclusion. At times you played very well, clearly demonstrated great courage and often smart strategic decisions. However, several shocking mistakes throughout the series and especially last final battle has left me with a bad aftertaste that i've wasted so much time on so inconsistent player.
In this ceasar, this was the first and only final battle what I lost against you, in the other hand I won two of them. Sorry, to waste your time.
Don't forget that all creeping leads to climax of the game - final battle! I suggest you to take part in Tower's arena tournament to improve this the most important aspect of game!
Thanks.
But most of all i'm disappointed by your back-stabbing and untactful boasting in previous games that is very different from your usual friendly, patient and considerate behavior that i enjoyed. I wonder if bridges have been burnt between us... Yet, i hope for the healing of time.
No, bridges have been burnt.
After this opnening, I will tell you, what I think. I think that you are a bad looser, a liar and a cheater.
I think that first one does not need too much explanation, just enough to check this thread and know your past.
Liar, I think my comments shows that you simply cant keep your words, forget or deny what we have agreed.
Cheater, yep, I am sure that this is the case.
1. There was a very interesting issue we had, when you broke titans and wolves. It was a long turn approx 1.5 hours you had a dc. We reloaded, then my comp collapsed after some time. Then you tried again, another 1.5 hours, and when 99% percent of the bar was full, you had another dc.
After your second dc, you told me that you won that battle. You sent the replay to Natalka, and we agreed that you will send the replay to me with a password, and then next day send the password to Zilo. Even tough I have received the replay, you did not tell the password to Zilo. After a couple of days, Zilo told me that he saw the replay.
For me it was unbelievable, that you could break titans and wolves on day 2 week 4.
When our final battle was over I asked Zilo to send me the replay (cuz I am a total amateour, and cant open rar files). He said that you forbid to him. Then I told you that you have promised that and bla, bla. After an hour i asked it from Nat, who sent it for me.
The name of the file is different from the name what you can see, if u try to have a look in heroes. Simply you edited the name of the save before sending it to me or Natalka. But why?
I know you created some crazy bullsnow, saying that you wanna publish it here, and you want it to look like 5th game save, altough its wolves 2, because broke that garrison 2nd time in our matches. Now this is just empty words. When I heard that, saw the replay, and remembered how scared you were, while we were trying to figure out how we could handle these strange dc-s you have, I knew, and I am confident now, that you were simply cheating. Last 8 years I am listening to this kind of bullsnows, I can feel that you were/are lying.
I will ask someone to publish this replay, even tough it looks perfect, everybody can feel that is not the first try just because of this reason.
As a sidenote of this argument: The sprites together have 50% chance to act before titans. Its easy to see, if that does not happen, its a suicide.
2./A Before you posted your view of the final game, I explained to you, why I was not able to get full dwarfen set. Even tough I did, you made a remark in that post, and you did mention it in ur next posts. I did not understand why you keep pushing this bullsnow. Why? Because u knew it, that the tent is not taken, but the only way knowing it, if u had a look to the save.
2./B Its easy to see, that week 6 fight is lot better for sylvan then week 5. Despite of this fact, you marhced to the centre on day 6 week 5 to force a final battle against my dungeon guy. Strategically you only need to defend 4th piece of dwarfen set, and engage battle as late as possible. Then why you did this.? There is only one reason, you were sure that you will win that battle. And the only way to be sure, if you had a look and played on the save. And because this is the simpliest answer, this is the truth.
Sry, to be that long and waste ur and the community's time a bit more.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 04:45 PM |
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I promised Strider to keep his ultimate skill secret but he broke his word and did black magic to me for: -5 luck !
Time for cleansing all dark effect and bring light again....
Strider Ultimate skill is enrage 300% per game! Jus check how fast he made crazy SQ79 and now Kispagat. Look like his best fan Natalka cant resist his ultimate skill too. Be careful ppl or you can end frenzy
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No offence Strider....just report your old game and i will give you chance to loss more in future
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 05:02 PM |
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Strider Ultimate skill is enrage 300% per game! Jus check how fast he made crazy SQ79 and now Kispagat. Look like his best fan Natalka cant resist his ultimate skill too. Be careful ppl or you can end frenzy
I am not crazy, angry or anything, this is my calm opinion about Strider and our game.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 05:13 PM |
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Strider Ultimate skill is enrage 300% per game! Jus check how fast he made crazy SQ79 and now Kispagat. Look like his best fan Natalka cant resist his ultimate skill too. Be careful ppl or you can end frenzy
I am not crazy, angry or anything, this is my calm opinion about Strider and our game.
I'm doing just fun with Strider. So far i'm glad finaly some one have balls to tell what he realy think for him and its same what i tell almost 2 years ago.....His main problem is he cant accept loss and he is ready to do any for prevent it. When Strider learn: "loss is normal part from play and its not shame" he can be real good player.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted May 12, 2009 06:39 PM |
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 08:22 PM |
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What i love about this discussion is that some people has matured a LOT over the last months. And no, I am not beiing ironic and i am not naming names. Also glad to see one can call eachother cheaters in such a calm and objective manner  No more throwing of rocks and harsh words, just opinions and argumets.
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Elit
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posted May 12, 2009 09:10 PM |
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Strider beats titans and wolves in game 5
Here is the miraculous replay Maybe he can repeat it again.
All this pasword protected save and not share it later look very strange. Its strange how save fail is named wolfs 5 but in reaplay its wolfs 2. From other side i'm sure with this army and spels battle can be get.....maybe not from 1st try
Hope we will get more info soon and explain from Strider.
Can i ask Strider why he decide lvl 19 to go rush in midle when dont have portal. What strategic reason you have?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 12, 2009 09:16 PM |
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Replays always show their original name when viewing them from ingame. We can safely deduce that the name of the save was edited.
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Strider_HL
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posted May 13, 2009 12:19 AM |
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Wuh, this is serious...
Shortly about back-stabbing. I felt so because Kis never complained about time issues lately. What he dag out now was long ago history. Our relationship lately improved even to the point where i asked him how badly he wants to play even though i'm very tired. And after confirmation i pulled together and played couple of times that i wouldn't have done for him a few months ago. That is why his accusations felt treacherous to me...
More importantly, about cheating accusations:
1. About d/c. This indeed was very embarrassing as there is nothing worse for suspicion as d/c at critical moment. I used a lot of alt-tab during that process and my game froze (it happened periodically for Kis and me). Next time Kis game hung but i got past the wolves. After reload we had first d/c due to net problems (i believe it was my net and i made replay for this battle).
2. Replay name. Ofc, i changed the file name before sending it away for reference purposes as wolves2 didn't tell anything. Kis is wrong about number "2" though. All numbers refer to this game. First passing of the block was when his game crashed. This was second passing. After we reloaded i made another replay called wolves3.
3. Replay password. I sent replay to Kis right away but archived it with password so he doesn't see it. Msn log shows that we agreed that someone trustworthy will check if i killed wolves and confirm it to Kis.
4. Mess with not giving password to Kis. I never intended him to see tactics of that battle so that he doesn't learn creeping strategy. After he lost he demanded the replay because had thought we agreed he will see it. Initially i refused but Zilo convinced me that it is not wise to anger Kis more. So, with regret i gave him the password.
4. Battle itself. Kis is right about this one - it was not the first time i tried this strategy. I must admit that for the first time my determination to win overcame my laziness and i played with sylvan in single once before we started. I used Gilraen there and it took me 3 tries to come up with this tactic.
This battle is quite easy as titans always stand in corner. Also, Kis is wrong about sprites. Actually, this tactics work better if titans shoot arcanes once. I will not go into detail but you might understand why.
Now you see why i was reluctant to reveal this replay as it was big heroic for me to prepare this homework in single. Ofc, there was not much trouble repeating it with Talanar - it only takes very, very long and targets must be selected with great care. Actually the battle went harder than expected because arcanes hit wolves with favorite shot.
5. About looking at the save. You are wrong again. First, it was clear to me that you can manage grabbing dwarven boots and only way is to protect them is to skip balrogs. This was extremely hard choice and i thought about it 1 day. On contrary to your arguments, having final on early week 5 was smth i tried to avoid with all power. Obviously, dungeon's supremacy over sylvan would be dominant because i couldn't buy all army. We discussed strategic imperatives about this decision with Zilo in long msn call. And i decided that my chances will be better with retribution from trees and money from books to buy all army. I hoped Kis would suicide in some of garrisons. Even if not - i could force week 6 battle and hope that superiority of meat can overcome Dwarven set and destructive.
I was extremely relieved and surprised when Kis didn't come for boots. Msn log with Zilo shows that (it's in Latvian though). So my next move was to secure boots.
And then Kis surprised me and took both garrisons. At that point i again spend whole day thinking what to do. My first intention was to hide in shadow and get the army from week 6. However, it was clear that his next target would be staff garrison and i was forced with hard decision - staff vs. week 6 army. Again we discussed it with my friend Zilo in looong msn call. The decision was unilateral and very unfortunate for me - i HAD to cross Kis way to prevent him from staff because there is also portal to my castle and it would be the end. Unfortunate because it was week 5, day 7 and i felt that he has forced me in the corner with perfect timing of not allowing week 6 battle. I felt very anxious about his death knights and enormous sp and estimated chances 50/50. Luckily, Kis helped me to win with errors in final battle.
To sum up about looking at save, that is clearly not true as suggested by looong msn conversations and calls with Zilo. If i knew that Kis messed up tent (still cannot believe it) and doesn't have swift mind/empowered spells, i wouldn't have spent 2 real time days discussing possible scenarios.
Summarizing accusations about d/c in wolves battle, hopefully i have answered all suspicions.
Even if many will believe my honesty, others will not despite hard facts i presented now. I regret my retaliation regarding back-stabbing as it provoked Kis to come up with these screaming accusations. The water has been spilled and dmg is irrevocable even if all has its explanation.
As a matter of fact, i have my own suspicions about Kis d/c in his long turns. Ofc, i can't prove it. In the end, heroes can be played only between ppl who trust each other as there are always suspicion about d/c or even awful save looking.
P.s. The community would only gain if some modder could invent a way to protect saves with password.
P.p.s. About elit's inquiry regarding breaking to center, i can only suggest to think a while and you will understand what element was the absolute must-have for me to win.
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