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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 20, 2009 11:14 PM |
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A classic toh derailing thread  Please let's leave it at that, kispagat had something else in mind when he created it. Please show some respect for him and let him do his part.
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infinitus
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posted February 21, 2009 07:33 AM |
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Good old classics Elvin is right, let's stop drama here, we all understood opponents positions in this conflict, so no need more clarifications of situation. All is clear, conflict solved, game continue ... Enjoy the silence
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Nothing's impossible
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Strider_HL
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posted February 21, 2009 10:25 AM |
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Perfect picture, Infi
Translation from russian: Medicine is called in rude word with meaning "no trash talking" and on the box below is added "with spoon for forhead" 
About the game in spotlight...
Now it is clear what is happening and I'll share how extraordinary this game has developed for me So, i had Grawl as starting hero and my vision about winning Kis haven selected any other hero except this one, Alastor and Yrzebeth. Imagine, what i had in tavern hehe Yes, Alastor. So i decided to buy protagonist on day 2. Can you anticipate the next? Yes, i got the hot but unneeded succubus girl at my disposal.
What to do now? I have already 3 heroes (ebba also) and no main. I decided that the delay will be justified with another day if i get deleb or grok so i bought out Yrzebeth as well. I'm sure you can see it - on next day i got none of those  So the situation - 4 heroes, hard economic situation and small hopes for future 
But there is more to the funny situation. My Alastor that i used to clean local neutrals and would be 2ndary hero, had decided to grow independently from his master's designed career for his "confused" son  Namely, no mark of damned, no logs, no wm, no advanced gating hehe
So i decided to delay no more and put stress on other aspect of the game - troops - and wait for the 8th day. So i attacked shipyard garrison in full force and got really annoyed by that morale from minotaurs when i couldn't almost believe i have won the garrison with this hero
So i sailed for the lvl6 island to implement my strategy... imagine what i saw when the fog of war dissipated... yes, it was guarded by thunderthanes haha I thought a lot what to do - the fight would be very risky and bloody by all means (still no useful skills). But i had no choice... i pulled the trick with almost no loses even though the electrified brotherhood consisted with 9 angry individuals Unfortunately, no replay to share... Ofc, the battle for the dwelling itself was hard too, but i managed.
Finally the dawn of day 8 greeted me and i saw my the protagonist riding to my castle with the nimbus of light behind him hehe (illusion by sun behind him ) So the hard decision was whether to buy it on day 8 or day 9 - the rest of the plan was clear for me. I attacked the gold mine with lvl1 hero, but, as expected, it went much easier than the battles by Alastor (only very long - that's why i didnt want to fight it on previous late night when i was in very bad condition).
Grok quickly raised to lvl6 after his childhood brawl with local resource guards and thunderthanes guarding armor. In few days he sailed right to the garrison and i prepared for the interesting battle. But Kis decided otherwise in light of smart strategic considerations and let me through without a fight (who knows if it was right, hmm). So at my arrival, Grok was lvl 6 contrary to Klaus of lvl 14 with amazing att/def numbers. After couple of days, i am lvl 12 and, even though Kis has serious time, economic and hero advantage, i feel that i can still turn the tide
So far this has been amazing game to me with the worst 1st week ever in terms of hero, skills, money and neutrals. But the most astonishing feeling i experience from trying to win a game with main hero from day 9 on a map where single day can make a difference
Let's see what the future brings to table and the size of my fork 
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted February 23, 2009 04:49 PM |
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2009 12:23 AM |
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Sadly, second Caesars game with Kis also ended without final battle. After out fire garrison fights i moved to the mine zone to collect inferno joiners and the other mega dwelling. Meanwhile, Kis went home and attacked his balrog garrison with the remaining army that, unfortunately, was insufficient. After that he conceded...
I don't cherish this outcome for the reason that i wanted to test if i can pull the trick and achieve victory with day 9 main hero. This question will remain unanswered even though my venturous design slowly turned into reality.
Thx, Kis, for the most interesting game in the tournament so far
Interim score till 3 victories:
2-0 in favor of Strider HL
P.s. When you watch balrog replay, don't forget to put Twilight World in Maps folder.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted February 24, 2009 08:00 AM |
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
gets back
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posted February 24, 2009 08:31 AM |
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Edited by csarmi at 08:32, 24 Feb 2009.
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A well-deserved victory for you (or in other ways, a well-deserved loss for Kisp seeing that fire garrison show). Talk is cheap, I know
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2009 09:19 AM |
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Well, not too much to say. But as a looser, I have a right to tell the (bad) excuses.
Skilling and arties screwed me big time. Its really useless to rush, if you dont get light magic only at level 15, no chance for storm wind, cuz master of wrath was never offered. Even tough I landed to the mine area on day 8, I was just circling around thanks to low mana without light magic. Simply, there was few enemy I could fight (lots of chieftains and unicorns guarding mines). War machine showed up on day 11 before light magic. Pointless to take.
After wasting a week, I almost suicided at the rune priest guard.To the balrog area, it was guarded by pack of emerald dragons.
Furthermore my seconaries could not reach exp counterstrike and expert trainer, so my training costs was extremely high.
When I saw that the fire garrison protects horn of plenty, I knew that the game is over. I had knowledge 4, with two booster in the map, whcih means that during reaching lvl 20 I received only 1 knowledge. (5% instead of 15%) No way I can increase my knowledge over 150. This is the magical number, because 500-600 imps will be there at the final battle, take away my mana. Which means, if I am lucky with swift mind, I can cast one, and no more.
The only chance I have if I rush to the middle and try sunken, before Grok. But against titan&wolves guards I need to have huge army to stand a chance with 40 mana.
I was aware that fire garrison would be hell risky, but when I saw the terrain, I knew that only if I can take out a caster, or flame lord or the bird I have small chance. ATB did not give me this favour. Oye, ofc no haste.
Balrog fight was just a joke, instead of giving up. If I manage to kill 1 balrog at first try, and my paladins do not trapped, I have a slight chance.
I dont think I can have another 3 sucker game, I look forward three wins in a row.
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Strider_HL
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posted February 24, 2009 01:03 PM |
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We generated the following match-ups for the 3rd game (Kis is on the left):
1. Faiz - Maeve
2. Vinrael - Inga
3. Kragh - Faiz
4. Grok - Ossir
5. Yrbeth - Irina
Kis stroke nr. 4 and 1 while i answered with nr. 3 and 2. So the pair for 3rd game is Ki's Yrbeth vs. my Irina.
Kis will notify me of the banner colors in the evening.
Have fun
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2009 01:51 PM |
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Great fun, GL in the last one, cmon Kisp! Give us a real final battle.
One question, since i play Twilight with Zilo nowadays and can relate to it, which day did you take the firegarrison?
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2009 02:31 PM |
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One question, since i play Twilight with Zilo nowadays and can relate to it, which day did you take the firegarrison?
Hmm, in both games i did it on day 2, week 4 though with other factions and specific setup it can be done a week earlier, imo.
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Kispagat
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posted February 24, 2009 07:33 PM |
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Quote:
We generated the following match-ups for the 3rd game (Kis is on the left):
1. Faiz - Maeve
2. Vinrael - Inga
3. Kragh - Faiz
4. Grok - Ossir
5. Yrbeth - Irina
Kis stroke nr. 4 and 1 while i answered with nr. 3 and 2. So the pair for 3rd game is Ki's Yrbeth vs. my Irina.
Kis will notify me of the banner colors in the evening.
Have fun
You play red.
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
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posted February 25, 2009 07:49 AM |
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Yea, one could see from the replays that you didn't have light magic and had crappy skills. I dont know the map exactly, but wasn't it possible to do the fire garrison fight with more stacks (just fodders - they could at least save you some champions, if not the angels), or the balrog fight with a bit different army?
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2009 09:09 AM |
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Yea, one could see from the replays that you didn't have light magic and had crappy skills. I dont know the map exactly, but wasn't it possible to do the fire garrison fight with more stacks (just fodders - they could at least save you some champions, if not the angels), or the balrog fight with a bit different army?
Not really true - Kis had perfect skills at both garrisons (exp light, attack, defense) and lacked only master of wrath perk. But the problem was not so much in skills as in the timing of their acquisition and low knowldedge as i understood from Kis, right? 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 25, 2009 09:36 AM |
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You know.. It feels a waste to play a map where the best creeper wins and we don't even see a final battle. I guess I had different expectations from Caesars.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 25, 2009 11:01 AM |
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If they reached the caesar, they should be very good creepers. When you push it...suicide happens
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
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posted February 25, 2009 02:40 PM |
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Not really true - Kis had perfect skills at both garrisons (exp light, attack, defense) and lacked only master of wrath perk. But the problem was not so much in skills as in the timing of their acquisition and low knowldedge as i understood from Kis, right?
Hm strange then, because both fights seemed doable for me with 40 mana, expert light, resurrection+regeneration and the given amount of creatures - with quite low losses, if any. Fodders needed, however, and for the balrog one not really bad luck (and former fight won perfectly).
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Kispagat
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posted February 25, 2009 04:48 PM |
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You know.. It feels a waste to play a map where the best creeper wins and we don't even see a final battle. I guess I had different expectations from Caesars.
Quite right. But this is how it goes in this map. To get to your opponent you need to fight with 13-19 storm titans & 500 wolves, or stormlords&air elementals of the same difficulty. Naturally, you need army to do so, therefore taking megadwellings and connected gold mines are very important. So simply cant skip these garrisons. And thanks to arena practice, Strider is deadly with these garrisons.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2009 04:52 PM |
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Quote:
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Not really true - Kis had perfect skills at both garrisons (exp light, attack, defense) and lacked only master of wrath perk. But the problem was not so much in skills as in the timing of their acquisition and low knowldedge as i understood from Kis, right?
Hm strange then, because both fights seemed doable for me with 40 mana, expert light, resurrection+regeneration and the given amount of creatures - with quite low losses, if any. Fodders needed, however, and for the balrog one not really bad luck (and former fight won perfectly).
Its ok, just tell me how. Balrog fight was not really serious, maybe if I try wolves in early week 5, thats better. But we are lucky, now Strider goes with haven, so he can show us how to do it.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted February 25, 2009 05:14 PM |
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I think the map is actually very interesting, but with a high suicidal ratio ... I saw the Fire Garrison, the balrog not, and I think there was few Kispagat could do for saving the Angels without some fire protection.
Still, too bad that the games ended like that ... maybe the third one will have a final fight, to make up for the other two 
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