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Corribus
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posted March 04, 2010 03:45 PM |
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The gaming companies just don't get it. Copy protection does virtually nothing to stop people who are determined to pirate software. All it does is punish honest users. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually drove MORE people towards piracy.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted March 04, 2010 03:49 PM |
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That is just too rich. Day one?
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Kareeah_Indaga
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posted March 04, 2010 07:02 PM |
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Supporters of the system like the fact that there are no limitations on activations or the amount of PCs that the game can be installed on
It still amuses me that the ability to install the software as much as you want is a 'feature' these days.
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lord_crusader
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Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
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posted March 04, 2010 10:03 PM |
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Ubisoft's Internet-required DRM Already Cracked
2:50 PM - March 4, 2010 by Marcus Yam
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Hackers have already found a way around Ubisoft's Internet DRM that's used on Silent Hunter 5 and Assassin's Creed II.
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Last month, we found out about a new Ubisoft DRM scheme that requires PC gamers to be constantly connected to the Internet in order to play an authenticated game. With the highly anticipated Assassin's Creed II and Settlers VII being some of those titles protected under the new scheme, gamers voiced their concerns over such restrictive and potentially inconvenient DRM.
Of course, it'd be naïve to believe that pirates won't be doing their best in order to circumvent this protection. One of Ubisoft's first titles to use this new scheme, Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic, released earlier this week – and it didn't take much time for pirates to crack the DRM.
In the release notes for the pirated version of Silent Hunter 5, the hackers instruct not to use the Ubisoft launcher or to block any connection to the Internet, and then use some modified files to run the game. At the end of the note, the hackers also urge gamers to support the companies that make the software they enjoy.
We cannot verify whether or not the cracked files effectively bypass Ubisoft's copy protection schemes, but it's clear that the pirates are tinkering with it.
so I think is truth is already cracked XD
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baklava
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Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
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posted March 04, 2010 10:39 PM |
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Well that cracked me up
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posted March 04, 2010 11:53 PM |
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Well that cracked me up
LOL! Pun intended? 
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baklava
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Mostly harmless
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posted March 04, 2010 11:57 PM |
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I don't know but Ubisoft is sure gonna crack some heads when they read about this
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"Let me tell you what the blues
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money,
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted March 05, 2010 12:07 AM |
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posted March 05, 2010 12:26 AM |
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I don't know but Ubisoft is sure gonna crack some heads when they read about this
That's a good one too! 
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lord_crusader
Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
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posted March 05, 2010 12:37 AM |
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I wonder how much money they expend on their new super DRM system 
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baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
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posted March 05, 2010 12:47 AM |
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You guys need to see this
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"Let me tell you what the blues
is. When you ain't got no
money,
you got the blues."
Howlin Wolf
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted March 05, 2010 12:49 AM |
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I lol'd for the first time in a week.
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dota
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Binabik
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posted March 05, 2010 01:50 AM |
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You people make me sick. What the hell is wrong with you guys anyway?
Heroes Community is a site dedicated to Heroes of Might and Magic. Ubisoft is the company that makes that game. Whose side are you on?
Ubisoft is losing money, a LOT of money. They are doing everything they can to try to turn that around. And you guys act like the proverbial angry mob, carrying their torches intent on burning Ubisoft to the ground. At the same time you are cheering for the guys that Ubisoft is fighting against. If Ubisoft doesn't start making a profit, and making it soon, there is a very real possibility that there won't be a Heroes 6.
You guys are on the wrong damn side.
If you don't like a DRM scheme there are ways to express that concern. But keep in mind whose side you're on. This community has sure gone downhill. If you compare this thread to the one a few years ago when fans got together to delay the release of Heroes 5 it's like night and day. That time it was a COOPERATIVE effort working with Ubisoft to address concerns. The tone was along the lines of "Hey, we love this game, we want to buy it, we want it to be successful, and we would like to work with you to make it the best game possible." That effort was cooperative, it was polite, it was well organized, with thoughtful and well written input by a lot of loyal fans.
In this thread the tone is the angry mob with torches. It's a bunch of people cheering the Nemesis of Ubisoft. It's people openly supporting, and downright advocating piracy. It's confrontational and antagonistic, not cooperative. It's not polite and it's not informed. And whoever wrote that petition couldn't even be bothered running a grammar checker or spell checker?! And THIS is what you want to present at the board meeting to effect a change?
Does anyone think that an approach more like a few years ago would be better? Does anyone think that working with Ubisoft and telling them "Yes, we understand the problem and would like to work with you on this so your company can remain solvent and profitable and continue turning out great games" is better than the angry mob of torch bearers who cheer for the very ones that Ubisoft is fighting against?
If I'm a Ubisoft executive sitting at the board meeting, I know which one I'd be more likely to listen to....and which one would just make me pissed and want to fight back even harder.
Come on people! Ubisoft isn't the freaking enemy.
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Vlaad
Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
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posted March 05, 2010 02:14 AM |
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That effort was cooperative, it was polite, it was well organized, with thoughtful and well written input by a lot of loyal fans.
...and was disregarded until the news suppression pact:Quote:
As of 2pm GMT today (January 29th 2006) administrators of the major Heroes of Might and Magic fan sites around the world have signed a News Suppression Pact in protest to a premature release of Heroes of Might and Magic 5.
The pact was signed by Age of Heroes (International), Archangel Castle (France), Behemoth's Lair (Poland), Castle Gobs (International), Celestial Heavens (International), Drachenwald (Germany), The Genie's Lamp (International), Guardian's Grove (International), Heroic Corner (Russia), La Torre de Marfil (Spain) and The Oracle League (International). All other HoMM websites are also invited to join this pact.
As an action of protest, following this announcement, no news or updates will be posted on our web sites. Additionally, Heroes of Might and Magic 5 information will be removed from our web sites
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Elvin
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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 05, 2010 02:20 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 02:21, 05 Mar 2010.
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Heh
@binabik
We could instead cheer for Ubi for screwing us royally. Is that it? They were aware what they did in the first place and no amount of sweet talk would make them change their mind. Besides the save heroes movement is a pretty unfair comparison, this IS different like night and day. But not in the way you mean it.
The facts are that ubi has tried to spy on us through starforce and possibly even now with DRM. They have alienated their fanbase by screwing many of their paying customers. Do I hate them? No. Do I even wish ill of them? Neither, why would I? I was to see H6 as much as anyone but definitely not under DRM. Then no I wouldn't care either way and same goes for thousands of other fans.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted March 05, 2010 04:44 AM |
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Edited by william at 04:45, 05 Mar 2010.
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LEAVE...BRITNEY...UBISOFT....ALONE!!!
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 05, 2010 05:23 AM |
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I agree entirely with Binabik post. Sooner or later, all games companies will have to innovate and create the perfect anti-pirate tool. It may take a few screwed tries, but let's hope the honest customer will not be penalized at the end. Myself, I don't see what is wrong about playing a game only if you are connected. Most people are connected 24Hx24H, so there...
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Roman_Lajciak
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posted March 05, 2010 09:05 AM |
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...and was disregarded until the news suppression pact:Quote:
As of 2pm GMT today (January 29th 2006) administrators of the major Heroes of Might and Magic fan sites around the world have signed a News Suppression Pact in protest to a premature release of Heroes of Might and Magic 5.
The pact was signed by Age of Heroes (International), Archangel Castle (France), Behemoth's Lair (Poland), Castle Gobs (International), Celestial Heavens (International), Drachenwald (Germany), The Genie's Lamp (International), Guardian's Grove (International), Heroic Corner (Russia), La Torre de Marfil (Spain) and The Oracle League (International). All other HoMM websites are also invited to join this pact.
As an action of protest, following this announcement, no news or updates will be posted on our web sites. Additionally, Heroes of Might and Magic 5 information will be removed from our web sites
What an awesome idea! Although aware it was coming and that it was considered incomplete by many, I wasn't following the run up to HoMM 5 release on the net. This is a superb way to apply pressure and ought to be be implemented again if this draconian DRM system will still be around to infect future Might and Magic games. It has clearly worked, because Heroes of Might and Magic V ended up being a very good game.
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posted March 05, 2010 09:25 AM |
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Heroes Community is a site dedicated to Heroes of Might and Magic. Ubisoft is the company that makes that game. Whose side are you on?
On the side of legitimate gamers who want play games they purchase anywhere and anytime - when their internet connection is down, when Ubisoft servers are down, when they are travelling or on a holiday with a laptop or even when Ubisoft goes bankrupt and no longer maintains server support for the game.
There aren't two, but three sides here:
Gamers
Ubisoft
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Ubisoft is losing money, a LOT of money. They are doing everything they can to try to turn that around. And you guys act like the proverbial angry mob, carrying their torches intent on burning Ubisoft to the ground. At the same time you are cheering for the guys that Ubisoft is fighting against. If Ubisoft doesn't start making a profit, and making it soon, there is a very real possibility that there won't be a Heroes 6.
I like the Might and Magic franchise and Heroes of Might and Magic, in particular, but I most certainly wouldn't purchase HoMM 6 if it had this type of Draconian DRM (DDRM), so whether they make it with this type of DDRM or they don't make it at all is the same result in practice for me. If they abandon this DDRM on the other hand... than heck yes, I would want them to make it.
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You guys are on the wrong damn side.
We are on the right side - the side of gamers!
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If you don't like a DRM scheme there are ways to express that concern. But keep in mind whose side you're on. This community has sure gone downhill. If you compare this thread to the one a few years ago when fans got together to delay the release of Heroes 5 it's like night and day. That time it was a COOPERATIVE effort working with Ubisoft to address concerns. The tone was along the lines of "Hey, we love this game, we want to buy it, we want it to be successful, and we would like to work with you to make it the best game possible." That effort was cooperative, it was polite, it was well organized, with thoughtful and well written input by a lot of loyal fans.
Yes and no (and I have sent politely worded concerns and suggestions to Ubisoft). There need to be both push and pull factors in order for Ubisoft to make a change. That means both pressure and conditional olive branches are necessary. At this time, pressure is still the best policy - Ubisoft needs to realize just how much this DDRM system is disliked by gamers before it is seriously ready to talk. In this regard, the 'angry mob' is actually helpful.
I don't condone piracy, but the third side in this issue, the pirates, has cracked the new DDRM system thus showing its ineffectiveness and this does enhance pressure on Ubisoft, because it shows that all the DDRM has done is to infuriate legitimate gamers. Pirates, after all, get the version without the DDRM.
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Does anyone think that an approach more like a few years ago would be better? Does anyone think that working with Ubisoft and telling them "Yes, we understand the problem and would like to work with you on this so your company can remain solvent and profitable and continue turning out great games" is better than the angry mob of torch bearers who cheer for the very ones that Ubisoft is fighting against?
If I'm a Ubisoft executive sitting at the board meeting, I know which one I'd be more likely to listen to....and which one would just make me pissed and want to fight back even harder.
Both approaches are necessary. Feel free to offer polite concerns and/or suggestions to Ubisoft in private communications as some of us have done already. In the meantime, however, pressure is also helpful. After all, if people buy their games regardless of DDRM and if it doesn't give them negative PR, Ubisoft will feel free to do what it wants regardless of any comments/suggestions.
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posted March 05, 2010 09:41 AM |
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Heh
@binabik
We could instead cheer for Ubi for screwing us royally. Is that it? They were aware what they did in the first place and no amount of sweet talk would make them change their mind. Besides the save heroes movement is a pretty unfair comparison, this IS different like night and day. But not in the way you mean it.
The facts are that ubi has tried to spy on us through starforce and possibly even now with DRM. They have alienated their fanbase by screwing many of their paying customers. Do I hate them? No. Do I even wish ill of them? Neither, why would I? I was to see H6 as much as anyone but definitely not under DRM. Then no I wouldn't care either way and same goes for thousands of other fans.
Well said!
Cheering Ubisoft in this regard would be like cheering an agency that decides to pursue criminals by carpet bombing your city, because criminals also live there. They evacuate the non-criminal population to avoid 'innocent casualties' and restrict the damage to property only, but once they let the people into the destroyed city they realize that crime has not gone down. The criminals have also moved out of the city before it was carpet bombed. Oops!
Humor/sarcasm aside, I too wish Ubisoft could find a way to prosper, but not at the expense of its customers - us! (Well, former customers at the moment, since I am definitely not buying any more of their games unless they remove all online-based draconian DRM (DDRM) from their games).
A slight clarification for you though: There are various forms of DRM, some of them bad for the customer and some of them tolerable in the interests of fighting piracy (though the efficacy of both both the tolerable and the bad ones is questionable).
I don't mind the types of DRM that Ubisoft has used on Heroes 5, for example. DRM that prevents copying of a game, DRM that requires a disk check, DRM that relies on CD-keys or some combination of these are perfectly fine in my book - if Ubisoft used these to fight piracy I would be perfectly content. I would also be content if Ubisoft used types of DRM that degrade the gameplay of pirates (e.g. the pirated game glitches after being played for a while) - after all this impacts the pirates only and leaves us, legitimate purchasers of the game, unaffected.
Unfortunately, more onerous types of DRM exist, as Ubisoft is amply demonstrating with its scheme. I like to call these Draconian DRM or DDRM to distinguish them from those forms of DRM that are friendlier to legitimate customers, such as those I described in the paragraph above. DDRM is marked by being particularly burdensome for the legitimate customers (pirates get the cracked game without it...). It often features various online checks and decreases the longevity of the game (e.g. you can only play as long as Ubisoft maintains the servers...).
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Myself, I don't see what is wrong about playing a game only if you are connected. Most people are connected 24Hx24H, so there...
Well, I think there are numerous things that are wrong about that restriction. I will list some (not an exhaustive list) from least to most serious:
1) I like to play games when my internet is down, precisely because that is the time when I cannot browse the net. Here in the U.S. it doesn't happen so frequently (but still enough for this to be an issue for me), but back in my home country it does happen a lot. This DDRM makes it impossible
2) People like to play on their laptops when they travel. This DDRM scheme makes it impossible.
3) Much of my gaming is done over the holidays, since that's when I have more time to do so (e.g. staying at our mountain cottage and hiking during the day, but playing games at night/evening). Of course, over the holidays I am often not at home, so I don't have ready internet access. This DDRM makes it impossible.
The above are significant inconveniances that would seriously cut into my ability to play games, but they are not outright deal breakers. What is a deal breaker for me is the dependence on external servers to play/install the game, because that makes the longevity of the game dependent on the upkeep of the servers. This means that if Ubisoft no longer deems it economical to provide such support for older games or if the company goes bankrupt... poof, the games become unplayable.
I don't know about you, but I still fire up some great old games from time to time and many of the companies that made them no longer exist. Had they used Ubisoft-style DDRM, these games would currently be unplayable. Indeed, Heroes 3 would be one of the games that would be unplayable...
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