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mamgaeater
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posted February 16, 2010 01:53 PM |
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Cepheus should've torched more than the ashan databases in UbiHQ.
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ohforfsake
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Initiate
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posted February 16, 2010 02:13 PM |
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Azagal, in cases like these, I don't really think numbers matter much, I think it is the arguments behind, then it probably does not matter much how many signs a petition.
Sure if all potential costumers on the planet would for some obscure reason ban ubi, then no doubt they'd react, but the again, if the reason is obscure they'd not know how to react.
No I think we must first and foremost know why ubi is doing this. Then we must talk to that inner voice that justifies this act and come with more superior arguments, documented for justification.
Then I think ubi would react, because then it is not (in their eyes) a whole bunch of kids whining, but rather an opportunity alligned towards their goal.
What their goal is, I don't know, but I'd guess profit, and I'd guess thereby they think they can get more profit through this idea, than otherwise. Can we convince them a way of them getting more profit without this, then I think we'll win. Anything else, I don't really think they'll consider.
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mamgaeater
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posted February 16, 2010 02:28 PM |
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ts a way to stop pirating. But it kills the longevity of a game because they have to maintain it.
I won't buy a game that i might not be capable of enjoying a few years from now.
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ohforfsake
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posted February 16, 2010 02:42 PM |
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Yes I understand. The idea of copyrights is however, in my opinion, very outdated. After all, it does not make much sense that you sell a product and then you tell people they cannot do with that product as they please, after all it is their product.
The technology makes it possible to copy the exact content on the product and throw it away, throwing it away gives someone the opportunity to take it, in reality it could just as well have been handed over.
What buying something, in stead of having someone copying to you for free ensures are guarantee of quality, that guarantee is the same thing as when a car have a specific brand, such a toyota. I can make a car identical to a toyota car, and I can give it away, but I cannot claim it to be toyata car without lying, and that is completely fine.
What should the game designers then do? I think the answer lies in taking advantage of advertising, you create servers for the games, these sever need money to be able to run, and they need to pay the developer a sponsor fee for using their specific server. These money can you get through ads.
So what if someone decides to build their own page and copy games from them, you then get the games without having to have a page filled with ads while you find your game. Well the point is that not only does these people not guarantee quality in the possibility of help giving the game (information in general) corrupts your system, no these types of homepages will lack much more of the qualities that makes one decide to go to the homepage where the ads are, because you know at the homepage where you'll have ads all over the place, that you'll be able to download the game faster (because they get the games directly from the creator) and you'll know if your game corrupts your system that you've a quality guarantee which means you can get service for free.
Though this is off topic, and could probably be done smarter, what I am just saying is that a company like ubi probably won't last in the modern age, they try to survive through copy rights, because all they really can do is to copy, so telling them they're not to support copy rights probably won't win them over, because that's not something that gives them profit.
If anything, what is needed is a way of convincing them to preserve/increase their profit, either without copy rights or at least with copy rights, but without this system, I honestly think as the way the world evolves the first is more likely than the second.
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Keksimaton
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posted February 16, 2010 02:47 PM |
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@Mamga: Here is a quote from the Q&A
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What if Ubisoft decides not run these online services in the future? Will my game stop working?
If any service is stopped, we will create a patch for the game so that the core game play will not be affected.
They seem pretty decisive on this. It'll take more than just the M&M community rising up.
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Cepheus
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posted February 16, 2010 02:51 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 14:51, 16 Feb 2010.
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Corribus
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posted February 16, 2010 03:36 PM |
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Can't say I like the idea very much. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't buy any game that requires constant online validation in order to allow me to play.
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phoenixreborn
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posted February 16, 2010 03:49 PM |
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I'm dead set against an online connection being required. But doesn't anyone see any irony in protesting in online forums and sigining an online petition? Maybe bombard ubi hq with paper letters?
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Azagal
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posted February 16, 2010 03:51 PM |
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I don't see the irony. The two things may have the internet in common as means but they're goals are worlds arpart.
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Keksimaton
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Talk to the hand
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posted February 16, 2010 03:56 PM |
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phoenixreborn
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posted February 16, 2010 04:24 PM |
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Azzie if you have an internet connection to protest then you have an internet connection to play the game. What's the difference between this and steam?
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Elvin
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posted February 16, 2010 04:28 PM |
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Anyone can post from a net cafe phoenix. But even if he, you and me have a connection what of it? Does that make it less of a reason to complain? They are meddling in private things, things they never should.
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Corribus
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posted February 16, 2010 04:30 PM |
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I'm dead set against an online connection being required. But doesn't anyone see any irony in protesting in online forums and sigining an online petition? Maybe bombard ubi hq with paper letters?
There's no irony. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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ohforfsake
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posted February 16, 2010 04:35 PM |
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What's the difference between this and steam?
I don't play counter strike much more, so I can only talk about from the days I played.
I used steam for counter strike, counter strike has no single player element, so creating a place where servers are available does not seem weird to me, it seems more like hamachi and other stuff, than where you have to be online to play single player.
For the single player parts, half-life, and the other two I don't remember the name of right now, I don't think I used steam to play single player, but I can't say I know for sure, because I don't.
Still even if they were/are alike, it does not make it any better does it?
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phoenixreborn
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posted February 16, 2010 04:41 PM |
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One thing has nothing to do with the other.
An internet connection has nothing to do with an internet connection? The purpose of use doesn't matter. If you can use it for one thing (forums) you can use it for another (gaming).
Again, I'm a single player in most cases and I think an online connection required is stupid.
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VokialBG
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posted February 16, 2010 04:53 PM |
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Sooo... no more HoMM in Bulgaria anymore.
And no more if you don't have internet... Soft: Ubi are on new mission. At least we know that HoMM6: TQfMG (The quest for more gold) is really going to be seen soon or later.
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Darkshadow
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posted February 16, 2010 05:02 PM |
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Hahahahahahaahhahahahahaahh.
They're trying to combat piracy while missing the main station and heading directly towards the old bankruptcy mine...
Also, differnce between this and steam:
-Ubisoft=BS
-Valve=Awesum
Questions?
unless they do some REAL coding, there WILL be a way for pirates to bypass this.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
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posted February 16, 2010 05:04 PM |
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An internet connection has nothing to do with an internet connection?
Using an internet connection has nothing to do with my gripe about the DRM.
Your statement "if you have an internet connection to protest then you have an internet connection to play the game" is fallacious. It implies that the reason I don't want to play the game is simply because I'm required to have an internet connection. But the requirement of an internet connection has nothing to do with my distaste for this method of validation. I don't have a problem with needing an internet connection to play a game; no more than I have a problem with needing a computer to play a game. If a computer game company wants to require me to validate online ONCE when I install a game, I have no problem with that. It is the requirement of constant validation that I have a problem with, and constant validation has nothing to do with posting on a message board. If you actually read the complaints, you'll also see that a commonly cited one is that there is a fear about interrupted service and how that will affect someone who wants to play a game, which will presumably take a lot of time. Hours of uninterrupted service, say. Writing a post on a message board to complain takes at most a minute or two, so uninterrupted service isn't really a problem. Thus your statement about irony makes absolutely no sense, because - again - one thing has nothing to do with the other. There is no irony, because the problem with constant internet validation go way beyond the mere basic requirement of having an internet connection.
Ok, some Logic 101 for you.
Your statement makes about as much sense as this:
Me: I bought a computer that doesn't work. I wrote a letter on Microsoft Word with a friend's computer and sent it to Dell, explaining that the computer they sold me doesn't work.
You: Don't you see the irony in that? You are using a computer to write a letter complaining that the computer you bought doesn't work. That was dumb. You should have hand-written the letter using a crayon. Then it wouldn't be ironic anymore. You shouldn't be complaining about having a broken computer when you wrote a letter using a computer.
Test question # 1: Can you see the problem here?
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Kareeah_Indaga
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posted February 16, 2010 05:06 PM |
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ts a way to stop pirating. But it kills the longevity of a game because they have to maintain it.
I won't buy a game that i might not be capable of enjoying a few years from now.
Second that. Gaming is one of my fall-backs when I lose internet access; what good is that if they won't work for the same reason?
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Celfious
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posted February 16, 2010 05:07 PM |
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would this be for all the upcoming ubi games then?
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