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posted March 05, 2010 09:58 AM |
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In short the customer is always right. You pay, you have expectations least of all some respect.
Right now the terms are bend over and let Ubi enjoy or be labeled a piracy supporter. I wonder why.
Also.. Who exactly caused all this? Action and reaction I say, push someone too much and he'll get back at you.
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posted March 05, 2010 10:34 AM |
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Besides, cooperation as you said, have to sides Binabik. Ubi never discussed this with us, they never let us in. It was they who stopped cooperating.
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posted March 05, 2010 12:09 PM |
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If we survived 3DO going bankrupt after making everything except Heroes 5, I think we can survive Ubisoft's financial troubles too.
And it's most definitely not our fault that they killed their own profits even more with this thing.
Also, Sal, for chrissakes, you're French... Your forefathers are watching you from the heavens right now and are like "Mon dieu! When did our children lose their spirit of la revolution and replace it with this spirit of le butthurt whining about how corporations have nothing to eat?"
(same goes for your great grandpas shooting some Brits with tri corner hats, Bin, just with "Yargh" instead of "Mon dieu")
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posted March 05, 2010 03:09 PM |
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It may take a few screwed tries, but let's hope the honest customer will not be penalized at the end.
I lol'd.
Binabik's attitude can be summarized as kissing Ubisoft's ass while they screw you up as they please. You trade YOUR convenience for THEIR profits, all the while remembering that it's YOU who suffers at this, not the pirates.
Hostility? Sure thing. After all, companies CONSTANTLY ignore the fact that DRM is not going to stop piracy... why the hell would we SUPPORT their stubbornness? Let them learn the hard way -- and I for sure am not going to take their side. If anything, I cheer to cracks popping up to teach them a lesson...
...since I'm not interested in their games anyway, so I really have no self-interested position on this issue.
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posted March 05, 2010 06:06 PM |
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I got every single heroes game original with their box an packages... and I surely get HVI no matter if have DRM system or not... but I don't think is fair that they have to be checking my honestly every single second when I playing a legit game...
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posted March 05, 2010 06:09 PM |
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Heroes Community is a site dedicated to Heroes of Might and Magic. Ubisoft is the company that makes that game. Whose side are you on?
Ubisoft is losing money, a LOT of money. They are doing everything they can to try to turn that around. And you guys act like the proverbial angry mob, carrying their torches intent on burning Ubisoft to the ground. At the same time you are cheering for the guys that Ubisoft is fighting against. If Ubisoft doesn't start making a profit, and making it soon, there is a very real possibility that there won't be a Heroes 6.
You guys are on the wrong damn side.
I'm sincerely sorry for you if you think for half a second that keeping this imbecilic DRM active is going to somehow improve Ubi's profits or bolster their sales. Take a five second Google search and examine their reputation as it stands; the majority of the gaming press is openly lambasting their already-failed policy.
I am on their "damn side" and want them to survive. Therefore I am part of this effort asking them to stop attempting to sodomise their legitimate customers. There is a very real possibility that there won't be a Heroes 6 if they don't, as by the date of announcement they will have evolved into the lepers of the industry.
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posted March 05, 2010 06:32 PM |
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Come on, HoMM is too strong brand to die. We don't need Ubisoft to create next part, many developers would love to buy the rights to it 
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posted March 05, 2010 06:44 PM |
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Also, Sal, for chrissakes, you're French... Your forefathers are watching you from the heavens right now and are like "Mon dieu! When did our children lose their spirit of la revolution and replace it with this spirit of le butthurt whining about how corporations have nothing to eat?"
Nope, I am strongly opposed to piracy, considering it as low honor unconscious steal. As in my job it ruined careers, I am prudent before criticizing what UBI decides. If this works and UBI continues making the great games it always did, then I have no objection. If UBI goes bankruptcy while giving us great games which we don't buy but steal, then nobody is to blame but honest customers who could not give a centimeter of their "freedom" because weird excuses.
But this has no sense to discuss, most people who wrote in this thread were already expressed their approval of the piracy in the other thread. So this would be like asking thieves about making better doors or windows to keep a house safe.
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posted March 05, 2010 06:52 PM |
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Approval of piracy and appreciating the irony of how legal decisions lead people into it is not quite the same. There will always be some who condone piracy but let's not put everything on the same level.
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posted March 05, 2010 06:57 PM |
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We all know it is about money. Of course, pirates will crack the DRM under a day or less, but most people have no idea or the skill to search through internet for the valid crack, not to mention the million viruses inside. So I consider a DRM protection as a way to improve incomes. I read carefully their policy and I don't see high restrictions. Be connected, thats all. If you lose connection, the game is saved on servers. It will work exactly as World of Warcraft, and nobody complained yet. If you travel and can't connect, read a book or watch a movie, it will not hurt.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:01 PM |
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Because wow is a mmorpg..? Also about that argument on actually increasing sales. Tell that to the numerous people who canceled their preorders on future ubi titles.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:03 PM |
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In the policy I can read that if the servers are closed, the game will be patched. That means UBI keeps in mind the possibility that this method will not work. It says everything we need to know.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:06 PM |
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But WoW is an exclusive multiplayer game, for multiple computers on top of that! It is not the same! Even if WoW didn't require a connection it would lose it's purpuse and concept without a connection, and several people playing it on the same computer would be impossible. HoMM on the other hand works excellent to play singleplayer, it's even part of the concept and playing on multiplayer works great, because it's turnbased! We've seen this in the other HoMM-games. There's also the part with cheating. If a single person cheats in HoMM, no one looses anything, and it's not immoral (except in multiplayer), cheatin in WoW means that people will loose money (since you pay a monthly fee in WoW, time=money. If some one cheats, their time value increases, and every one elses decreases), and it's immoral since it's always multiplayer.
I mostly play heroes three single player, or hotseat, for example.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:11 PM |
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WOW had more than 20 millions customers who can be connected 24/7. No matter multiplayer or not, I guess other companies will learn from its anti-piracy mechanics, even for single games. I don't say it is good or right, I say that I am aware about piracy, it is a new phenomenon, and it needs a counter measure. Which one, lets see. Ubi is selling more than 3 millions copies for its best games, so the opinion of 100 users or 1000 signatures on a petition has no much impact.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:25 PM |
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You know that EA servers closed when ubi announced that right? Sorry it's a rather big leap of faith to assume they'll go through that years later. I'm still waiting for 3.2 patch of tribes.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:41 PM |
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People who don't have internet not buying your game = fewer sales. Why exclude?
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posted March 05, 2010 07:47 PM |
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Apparently they believed that the lost profits will be less than if the game was pirated. But that way they are treating customers like numbers on a list, it's cool if some go away as long as they get their 'secured' profits. Well so much for that.
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posted March 05, 2010 07:52 PM |
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You do know that WoW is pirated on a large scale as well?
Most people really do know how to apply a crack.
And most of the cracks don't have any viruses.
And most people play ubisoft games offline.
That creates problems. Most games are well protected against piracy in multiplayer with online gaming but when it comes to games people play singleplayer it's harder.
Is a revolution in gaming industry needed? yes
Is this the way? no
Why do you think I crack certain ubisoft games that I own anyways? Like Lock-on. It has bloody starforce that's why! I really don't need a god damn stealth program messing up my system. And the less I need a program hogging up an internet connection that won't even let me play offline! Why on earth would I want to play Settlers online? It's a game I can expect to sink into on a train ride or while killing time home sipping a cup of tea wearing my favourite pair of slippers while it's storming outside and the connection is out. Then I turn on the PC. Load windows. Take a sip of my black english tea flavoured with vanilla. Savour the aroma. Am about to put in the Settlers DVD when I realise I don't need it thanks to ubisoft's newest DRM. I smile,, how convenient. I click the icon to start the game. Loading.
ERROR! CONNECTION COULDN'T BE ESTABLISHED! VALIDATION INVALID! SHUTTING DOWN!
The neighbours hear me scream over the storm winds and whipping rain when I pull out the last few hairs from my head and throw the tea mug to the wall.
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posted March 05, 2010 08:20 PM |
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A game I bought recently had a 20-digit key that you type in whenever you want to install. One key per game, what is wrong with that system? No internet mess.
Piracy will happen regardless...how did those drm free stardock games do? That was a "big deal" but I don't remember how it turned out.
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posted March 05, 2010 08:47 PM |
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Of course, pirates will crack the DRM under a day or less, but most people have no idea or the skill to search through internet for the valid crack, not to mention the million viruses inside.
Salamander please, feel free to offer your opinion, but please do not talk about stuff you have absolutely NO idea about. Well, unless you consider propaganda a form of "knowledge" that is.
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