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del_diablo
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posted September 14, 2012 12:02 AM |
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1. But you do have a certain set of views. There is a lot of free leverage non cults get. Cults only get legal protection, to some degree.
2. And who are you to say I talked about USA? 
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Vindicator
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posted September 14, 2012 01:23 AM |
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In the pledge of allegiance, one of lines is "...one nation, under God...". I doubt it means anything but the Christian God.
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gnomes2169
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posted September 14, 2012 06:52 AM |
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That was only added in the 60's-70's to show that we allow religions in the US, unlike the USSR. In fact that was just supposed to be around until the collapse of the Soviet union, but us Americans are too lazy to get rid of it. We actually have more jewish traditions in the government (Supreme court/ any court cannot make judgement on the Sabbath, etc, etc) than we do Christian. Also, we do not declare a state religion since we are in fact not a theocracy and are also not fascists, so we allow people to believe what they wish to believe to a reasonable point. (For instance, the religion of Adrius would be banned since it requires blood for the blood god, and killing people is bad/ ritual sacrifices are banned.)
As I said: Influenced, not dominated or shoved down people's throats.
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1. But you do have a certain set of views. There is a lot of free leverage non cults get. Cults only get legal protection, to some degree.
Of course, since the vast majority of Americans (Including Canadian and Mexican Americans) are Christians to some degree there will be an influence due to overload. And cults only get legal protection only so long as they don't break the law in some way, and if they dare to do so society is standing juuuuuuuust within "Ban hammer" reach.
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So my question is simply: Why should Religion Christianity get a free pass in the "west"?
I don't know man... I just get this feeling that some misunderstanding may have come in somewhere... Something to do with Gnomes not knowing anything about Geography or something.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 14, 2012 09:29 AM |
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I'm pretty sure that down the line I've said this already, but 'ere we go:
"Religion is like your penis, you cherish it, you take pride in it, but don't whip it out in public, or shove it down a child's throat"
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted September 14, 2012 09:45 AM |
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I think in this thread as questions and answers about religion the detailization of criminal behaviour against children is gross and unnecessary!
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 14, 2012 11:07 AM |
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Don't make me spoon feed it to you.
Every time I've used it in a religious discussion, it was praised as an unparalleled analogy. (on the topic ofc) Parhaps your current disposition makes it too personal, I do not know; I've taken note of your complaint, but I shan't remove it unless someone more prominent finds it inappropriate. (no offense, but you have been a thorn in my backside in a lot of topics lately, and I've come out on top each time, but such is your right, to vent your concerns)
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Seraphim
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Knowledge Reaper
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posted January 30, 2013 12:10 AM |
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So I think figured out how christianity really works:
Here is a quote from a christian:
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The opposite of pride is rock bottom, I believe a lot of atheist have to feel like they have hit rock bottom before they call on Christ
This quote is amusing actually. People have to fall in a crisis so deep, so that they can become susceptible to magical thinking in order for christianity to work.
What impresses me is that I have seen this happen with people I have met, They had a crisis and became religious.
I believe this is the way how EVERY religion works.
Now I would like to ask christian members in this thread,
Does the Devil exist in your world view?
What about Hell?
And when you answered these:
Watch this documentary on the history of the Devil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQaVKoxd64
I would love it for elodin to watch it, and then come back.
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smithey
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Yes im red, choke on it !!!
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posted January 30, 2013 12:29 AM |
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Sera, I believe it goes both ways, while I think many people find religion in their weakest state coz they have nothing else and coz they're desperate for a meaning of some kind, one can also claim that in your worst state you suddenly have a moment of clarity and see things you werent able to see before.... I think the first option is a more dominant one but I do believe the second one is a possibility....
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GunFred
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posted January 30, 2013 12:33 AM |
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Every time a religion adapts or absorbs, it proves itself only more false.
Interesting Devil Documentary.
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GunFred
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posted January 30, 2013 12:44 AM |
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The History of the Devil 2/5
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It is us and them. If you are not with the church and the empire. You are with Satan
Sounds like american foreign politics to me.
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smithey
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Yes im red, choke on it !!!
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posted January 30, 2013 12:47 AM |
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The History of the Devil 2/5
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It is us and them. If you are not with the church and the empire. You are with Satan
Sounds like american foreign politics to me.
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Fauch
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posted January 30, 2013 04:25 PM |
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or you are born in a very religious community and just do like everyone else.
or you have to convert to marry someone.
or you become religious after a serious scientific analysis of the religion... maybe for buddhism lol
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Elodin
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Free Thinker
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posted February 04, 2013 03:53 PM |
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So I think figured out how christianity really works:
Here is a quote from a christian:
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The opposite of pride is rock bottom, I believe a lot of atheist have to feel like they have hit rock bottom before they call on Christ
This quote is amusing actually. People have to fall in a crisis so deep, so that they can become susceptible to magical thinking in order for christianity to work.
What impresses me is that I have seen this happen with people I have met, They had a crisis and became religious.
I believe this is the way how EVERY religion works.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Nope. I've posted my testimony here before. There was nothing rock-bottom about my spiritual journey. I began my spiritual awakening at about age 7. Sooner if you count just looking up in the sky and wondering about God. That is actually my earliest memory so I should probably count that as the beginning of my journey rather than at age 7 when I realized I needed to repent for I had sinned.
But certainly when some people hit rock bottom it makes many of them finally take time and reflect on their life and what really matters and makes them cry out for help with sincerity. And they are answered. Others have different reactions. They may become bitter, angry, and resentful for how "unfair" life has been to them.
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Now I would like to ask christian members in this thread,
Does the Devil exist in your world view?
What about Hell?
Yep, the devil exists. He is a fallen angel who became prideful and arrogant and thought to "take God's throne." He was kicked out of heaven and knows his ultimate end is hell. He is determined to destroy as many lives as he can before his day of judgement when he will be cast into hell. The concept some people have of Satan torturing people in hell is not Biblical. He will be suffer along with all who are in Hell.
Yep, Hell exists and Jesus spoke of Hell more than he spoke of heaven.
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GunFred
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Sexy Manticore
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posted February 04, 2013 04:43 PM |
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Satan is weak. One time he tried to possess my body but I told him to go away and he was like "ok...". Another time I bet my soul against a bag of chips in a Super Smash Bros Brawl duel and I pwned him with my eyes closed. And when my little sister was 12, Satan tried to rape her but she easily kicked his puny ass. Sometimes I almost feel bad for him as he is outshone by countless of mortals every day...
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Seraphim
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posted February 04, 2013 05:06 PM |
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Nope.
Why this expression? Have you degenerated into a 12 year old?
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I've posted my testimony here before. There was nothing rock-bottom about my spiritual journey. I began my spiritual awakening at about age 7. Sooner if you count just looking up in the sky and wondering about God. That is actually my earliest memory so I should probably count that as the beginning of my journey rather than at age 7 when I realized I needed to repent for I had sinned.
7 eh?
When I was 7, I thought I was going to die and when I was 10, I thought touching a light switch would make the difference between life and death...
You must be so mature and intelligent, so as to have been able to decide that religion is the thing for you.
Yeah, nice one.
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But certainly when some people hit rock bottom it makes many of them finally take time and reflect on their life and what really matters and makes them cry out for help with sincerity.
Really?
People who are in a deep life crisis do not BECOME SINCERE. They become susceptible to anything and are ready to believe in anything, mostly, to make their crisis go away.
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And they are answered. Others have different reactions. They may become bitter, angry, and resentful for how "unfair" life has been to them.
Answered?
Like what? Somebody becomes paralyzed, cant work, and becomes homeless and the answer would come like what? Meeting the local church?
Or getting a place to sleep?
You know, if you get answers from god and communicate with him, chances are you are schizofrenic.
What do you think about the morals of this story elodin?
Its the same story as the binding of Isaac.
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Yep, the devil exists. He is a fallen angel who became prideful and arrogant and thought to "take God's throne." He was kicked out of heaven and knows his ultimate end is hell. He is determined to destroy as many lives as he can before his day of judgement when he will be cast into hell. The concept some people have of Satan torturing people in hell is not Biblical. He will be suffer along with all who are in Hell.
Yep, Hell exists and Jesus spoke of Hell more than he spoke of heaven.
Why does not god not make him a good angel again?
Why does god not abolish evil?
If god was almighty, he would be able to alter somebodies stance, without affecting freewill.
And lucifer would become a good guy without affecting his free will. He would become good freely.
Dont come and face me with BS like that cant be possible becuase FREE WILL IS AFFECTED.
Really? On one hand "GOD IS ALMIGHTY, OHHH", on the other "NOOO, HE CANT AFFECT FREE WILL".
Really?
If god and all this horrible plothole ridden fairytale was true then life truly would not have any meaning because the god that created reality is beyond retarded.
The magic of religion is that its able to make people make "Sense" out of anything.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted February 04, 2013 05:30 PM |
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Yep, the devil exists. He is a fallen angel who became prideful and arrogant and thought to "take God's throne." He was kicked out of heaven and knows his ultimate end is hell. He is determined to destroy as many lives as he can before his day of judgement when he will be cast into hell. The concept some people have of Satan torturing people in hell is not Biblical. He will be suffer along with all who are in Hell.
Yep, Hell exists and Jesus spoke of Hell more than he spoke of heaven.
Interesting an article
http://www.reinosav.net/satantohell.htm
You needs Google translator!
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Fauch
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posted February 04, 2013 05:41 PM |
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If god was almighty, he would be able to alter somebodies stance, without affecting freewill.
And lucifer would become a good guy without affecting his free will. He would become good freely.
there are some religious guys who thinks evil and good don't exist and it doesn't matter if you are hitler or mother theresa, you are neither good nor evil. if god turned us all into psychopaths, wouldn't that affect our free will? being able to distinguish good and evil is a manifestation of free will, no? in another hand, we could say that the fact we have a conscience limits our free will.
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Seraphim
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posted February 07, 2013 01:46 AM |
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there are some religious guys who thinks evil and good don't exist and it doesn't matter if you are hitler or mother theresa, you are neither good nor evil. if god turned us all into psychopaths, wouldn't that affect our free will? being able to distinguish good and evil is a manifestation of free will, no? in another hand, we could say that the fact we have a conscience limits our free will.
Selective logic is the best attribute of religious apologists.
God, the almighty spirit of awesomeness is almighty.
He can defy logic, ok. Thats what the word "Omnipotent" means.
snow can happen like miracles, vulcanoes out of nowhere and so on.
Otherwise, you would be stuck with the argument that
"If god created a rock he cant lift, he would be impotent".
Going by this premise, it would be possible for god to affect someones actions, motives and reasoning without affecting them of their free will. How? Magic!!!
Now if you say things like being a psycho is a matter of free will,
then:
If you think people kill because of free will in the "Religioious sense" Yeah, they kinda do that, making "God" malevolent for not intervening.
If you think people kill because of: mental defect, bad education, hate which leads to homicides, murders and so on, then no.
Its as much free will as being a born schizophrenic or a raised neo- nazi.
There are other flaws in the "Free will argument" aswell.
The moral standpoint is a debacle
The rationale with modern day science is a debacle, we are not really excercising free will, just merely following what our brain decides is best and then we or our consciousness "Gets informed".
In other words, before you know you are choocing blue, the brain already did the "Calculatons" to that decision. Our counsciousness is not the one to make the "yes, I want blue" decision.
The fact that "Free will" is merely a philosophical concept.
Then:
Threatening to burn you in hell forever and then having the "Free will" to obey god sounds like a mind dictature to me.
Pure BS...no, this is refined BS.
"Hey, I would torture you forever if you wont listen to me" but you can "CHOOSE!!!".
Really?
Holy snow, thats very grateful.
Ans as for your comment on Hitler and charitable people.
Yeah, there is in reality no difference between them. Germans in WW2 thought Hitler was right. Morals are relative.
In fact, if WW2 never happened, we would have hundreds of hitlers inteding to become presidents in europe.
Good and evil does not exist and in the end who is blamed to be evil are ones who are against you, as it is 99% the case with every human being. Sure, being a racist is bad, but if 99% of a population was racist, you would probably know that a scientific truth does not matter to them and any word against them would be "Treason".
Killing is bad in a society and for our species, yet more people die of human related causes then anything else. Do morals really matter in the light of this fact?
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 07, 2013 03:28 AM |
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God, the almighty spirit of awesomeness is almighty.
He can defy logic, ok. Thats what the word "Omnipotent" means.
snow can happen like miracles, vulcanoes out of nowhere and so on.
Otherwise, you would be stuck with the argument that
"If god created a rock he cant lift, he would be impotent".
The core dilemma is as simple as this:
If there are natural laws, laws that can be observed, calculated, known, then even if you assume it, God (or Gods or any kind of supreme being) can't be omnipotent. He will simply be only the executive officer of these laws. That is quite a useless character, a redundance.
If on the other hand there is an omnipotent entity and miracles are possible, it is impossible and useless to try to know or understand anything. You can not give a valid meaning to anything because you may be created five seconds ago with installed memories, and everything in your perception, anything you can observe, calculate may be an illusion that is imposed to you by that omnipotent creature.
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted February 07, 2013 09:42 PM |
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I actually have had a question I pose to every religion out there. The one that can answer it to my liking will have my belief after that point. The question is a simple one, but comes with a few caveats.
What makes YOUR religion any better then the other hundreds of religions out there?
Now the rules are simple. No saying 'because this book says so'. No 'because it is what I believe'. No scriptures, just a plain simple answer. Nobody else's words, just your own.
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