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posted February 07, 2013 09:53 PM |
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I actually have had a question I pose to every religion out there. The one that can answer it to my liking will have my belief after that point. The question is a simple one, but comes with a few caveats.
What makes YOUR religion any better then the other hundreds of religions out there?
Now the rules are simple. No saying 'because this book says so'. No 'because it is what I believe'. No scriptures, just a plain simple answer. Nobody else's words, just your own.
Ashanism... any other belief is heresy in this forum! 
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posted February 07, 2013 10:11 PM |
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But we have nothing against heretics. We know that in the end we are all the same.
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Salamandre
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posted February 07, 2013 10:24 PM |
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Poor settings: there are endless ways to avoid your "rules" while subtly break them. Example with own words: Mighty God spoke to me in several occasions and this is why I choose him.
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Mytical
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posted February 07, 2013 10:26 PM |
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I have studied religions (various ones) in search for my personal truth. So far I have more questions then answers. What I seek out of this is an honest answer. So far, not even the most faithful of any of the religions have been able to answer this question.
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Mytical
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posted February 07, 2013 10:29 PM |
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Poor settings: there are endless ways to avoid your "rules" while subtly break them. Example with own words: Mighty God spoke to me in several occasions and this is why I choose him.
And 'god' talked to Buddha, and others with a different version. Fail. Thanks for your input however.
Edit : Which is why I said to my liking.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted February 07, 2013 10:39 PM |
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Religion is but a means to an end, don't try to seek your purpose in them.
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Mytical
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posted February 07, 2013 10:43 PM |
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Who said I need a purpose in life? Or that I am seeking a purpose in religion? I have my purpose in life, have had for many many years.
one other reason. One, it does not answer the question. Which was not 'why did you choose your religion', but 'why is your religion better then others'.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted February 07, 2013 10:50 PM |
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By being a means to an end shows that the merits of a religion vary from individual to individual. If I were to judge my religion from a collective standpoint I'd say that it isn't better than all the rest. While from an individualistic standpoint I'd say that it's everything to me, on the basis that it gives me the necessary support in order to achieve my goal. However I'm a theist, and occasionally like to associate myself with the Catholic church, despite their many flaws I greatly enjoy the atmosphere and the community.
Besides, flaws are good, for it were a perfect religion then you wouldn't be needed.
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posted February 08, 2013 12:16 AM |
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Now if you say things like being a psycho is a matter of free will,
I don't think you can choose to become a psychopath (or a sociopath, not sure which is the one people can be born with). what I meant, is that psychopaths have no conscience and very superfluous emotions and so they have less obstacles to their free will than other people. you said something similar.
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Ans as for your comment on Hitler and charitable people.
Yeah, there is in reality no difference between them. Germans in WW2 thought Hitler was right. Morals are relative.
In fact, if WW2 never happened, we would have hundreds of hitlers inteding to become presidents in europe.
Good and evil does not exist and in the end who is blamed to be evil are ones who are against you, as it is 99% the case with every human being. Sure, being a racist is bad, but if 99% of a population was racist, you would probably know that a scientific truth does not matter to them and any word against them would be "Treason".
actually, most people make a difference between good and evil. the only people who don't are psychopaths, or that is just intellectual. you can claim you believe there is no difference, but the fact is, unless you are a psychopath, you can not decide to kill someone just right now because there is something inside that tells you not to do it. what we can see indeed is that morals are relative, but they may actually very well be almost absolute amongst the majority of people, and any shift could actually just be the consequence of the influence of psychopaths who are unable to make the distinction, or of sadists who think evil is good.
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posted February 08, 2013 01:41 AM |
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Free ***** in VALHALLA!! Considering you went through a sex change, I can't help but think, under the right circumstances, it'd be an attractive offer. The same goes for the woman of course, they'll also get as much free ***** as they leisure.
What do cats have to do with anything? . Anyhow, since I believe that all worldly pleasures and desires go after we die, would be a moot point if I had all the women in the universe at my disposal.
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Fauch
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posted February 08, 2013 03:08 AM |
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the goal isn't to put a label on anyone. the point is that conscience make us aware of good and evil. or maybe it is the conditioning of the society? but then, why doesn't it seems to work on psychopaths? (let's say pure psychopaths to make you happy)
there has been some brain experiences. it seems that psychopaths have little or no activity in the emotional part of the brain.
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posted February 08, 2013 05:01 AM |
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Selective logic is the best attribute of religious apologists.
Lack of logical thinking seems to be one the main attributes of atheist apologists.
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God, the almighty spirit of awesomeness is almighty.
He can defy logic, ok. Thats what the word "Omnipotent" means.
Omnipotent means God has the power to do anything that is possible. It is not possible to make a geometric fiure that is a square while at the same time being a circle. That does not mean God is not omnipotent, it means words have meaning. Atheists quite often love to use such irrational arguments like God can't create a rock that is too heavy for him to lift because of their apparent inability to think rationally.
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Going by this premise, it would be possible for god to affect someones actions, motives and reasoning without affecting them of their free will. How? Magic!!!
Oh, God is indeed quite capable of affecting your actions but ordinarily chooses not to do so.
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Now if you say things like being a psycho is a matter of free will,
then:
If you think people kill because of free will in the "Religioious sense" Yeah, they kinda do that, making "God" malevolent for not intervening.
God gives you free will. You can abuse your free will. God made people, not robots. You chose who you become. You can chose to murder, steal, rape, ect, even though God says not to do such things.
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If you think people kill because of: mental defect, bad education, hate which leads to homicides, murders and so on, then no.
Its as much free will as being a born schizophrenic or a raised neo- nazi.
You chose who you become by your every thought, word, and action. I was brought up in an atmosphere of "the man will keep you down. You can't ever have anything and it is not your fault." I worked hard and got out of poverty. I did not embrace a defeatist attitude.
What you think, say, and do is your choice. You can, however, chose the path of excuses.
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"Hey, I would torture you forever if you wont listen to me" but you can "CHOOSE!!!".
Really?
Holy snow, thats very grateful.
Yeah, it kind of like human law says not to murder but you can do so and then you'll be punished for breaking the law. I guess you object to that too.
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Ans as for your comment on Hitler and charitable people.
Yeah, there is in reality no difference between them. Germans in WW2 thought Hitler was right. Morals are relative.
Nah, it is not moral to rape a baby in New York but immoral to do so in Texas. It can't be moral for Tom to rob a bank in Vermont but immoral for Tom to rob a bank in Texas. The idea of morality being "relative" is quite absurd.
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Killing is bad in a society and for our species, yet more people die of human related causes then anything else. Do morals really matter in the light of this fact?
Yes. Moral people don't murder. Immoral people do. And all killing is NOT bad. The execution of murderers is not bad. Justifiable killing in a just war is not bad. Killing when necessary to defend oneself or another person is not bad.
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posted February 08, 2013 06:22 AM |
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Seraphim
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posted February 08, 2013 07:41 AM |
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What does everyone think of this? I find it to just be interesting.
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"They experience it but they reject it," Bering says. "Sort of override or stomp on their immediate intuition. But that's not to say that they don't experience it. We all have the same basic brain. And our brains have evolved to work in a particular way."
Well, I have never experienced it. I always felt alone when I am alone and no, we dont have the same basic brain. Some "Brains" have disorders and dont do stuff the proper way. That is why we have hunders of personality and mental disorders.
As for children playing by the rules,
what his example fails to mention is that children are "Programmed" to follow what elders tell them to do. You can teach a child to run 7 times in a circle and then open a door and they will do it.
That means that children will believe anything grownups tell them to and if there is an invisible grown up in the room, they know that grownup will scream at them if they play unfairly.
This experiment just shows how children are prone to authority not about them not cheating because its not right or playing by the rules because its the right thing to do.
What the author describes as "Somebody" watching you is a mental illness. I dont know what the correct term is, but I remember it has something to do with people who feel that there is always somebody behind them or sitting behind them, always watching them what they do.
My opinion, that guy clearly generalizes on all atheists. I never had the feeling that some invisible god was watching me. He also assumes or implies that atheists reject god. I dont reject god, I reject religion and find no reason to believe in a god.
I stopped reading from there.
And as for the evolutionary standpoint of religion. I dont believe that religion contributed anything positively.
I believe that religion is a byproduct of our flawed brains-minds. We tried to find reasons, clues and creators in things that were beyond our comprehension and so we rationalized them with what we thought was best.
When we could not find why or how things worked, "God did it!" or "God made it happen". Clearly, we gave stupid answers to things we perceived because that would quell our need to know why.
Imo religion is nothing but a primitive guide to obedience, flawed knowledge,primitive laws and mental slavery.
Also, there is a distinction between religion and belief in a god.
Belief in a god morphed into religion.
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I find it laughable how the punishement of hell is so graphic in most religions, its like mental abuse. Fire, torture, fire, brimstones, fire, torture, pikes, flames, torture, feces, disease, screams and so on and on. Last time I checked, that was the case with the medieval world.
But then, when it comes to heaven, there is no description of sorts.
What would be a the heaven of a would-be rapist or would-be pedophile?
Islam is even more laughable in terms of dealing with heaven, for some people there are 72 virgins? Really? And what should somebody do with those in "Heaven" in the presence of your ancestors, god and various angels? Wasnt adultery a sin last time I heard?
I also come at odds to christian reasoning of the inquisition.
Surely, those who tortured were not chirstians... yeah right.
The pope was not christian aswell because he ordered such masacres, yeah.
The people were not christian because they were just peasants. It would be impossible for a peasant to know to read at that time so surely I assume nobody was true christian because they did not follow the bible verse by verse.
So, who was christian at that time?
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posted February 08, 2013 07:44 AM |
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You don't know how hard it is to masturbate when you know that all your ancestors are watching, and their friends, and their friends' servants.
Shamefur display!
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Fauch
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posted February 08, 2013 05:33 PM |
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we quickly had kings "chosen by god", but I wonder, if at any time, the idea of god has been used to prevent abuses of power. that is to say, by not putting the power in the hands of any person, but in the hands of god, who can't abuse it, because, he doesn't exist.
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GunFred
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posted February 08, 2013 05:38 PM |
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we quickly had kings "chosen by god", but I wonder, if at any time, the idea of god has been used to prevent abuses of power. that is to say, by not putting the power in the hands of any person, but in the hands of god, who can't abuse it, because, he doesn't exist.
Gambling, witch testings and other times where they let god/destiny/coincidence decide the outcome...
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posted February 08, 2013 06:22 PM |
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There is always the mandate of Heaven. The unjust ruler can be overthrown because he no longer posses it.
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posted February 08, 2013 06:23 PM |
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Something else came to my mind:
I find it laughable how the punishement of hell is so graphic in most religions, its like mental abuse. Fire, torture, fire, brimstones, fire, torture, pikes, flames, torture, feces, disease, screams and so on and on. Last time I checked, that was the case with the medieval world.
But then, when it comes to heaven, there is no description of sorts.
What would be a the heaven of a would-be rapist or would-be pedophile?
Islam is even more laughable in terms of dealing with heaven, for some people there are 72 virgins? Really? And what should somebody do with those in "Heaven" in the presence of your ancestors, god and various angels? Wasnt adultery a sin last time I heard?
I do not believe in hell as that fiery place where you'll be tormented forever and ever and ever, in fact I lean twoard apocatastasis... about heaven not much is said except that: Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, and upon the heart of man has not come up that which God has prepared for those who love him.
Doesn't sound too bad. But I found the Islam concept close to facepalm material.
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GunFred
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posted February 08, 2013 06:39 PM |
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I find it laughable how the punishement of hell is so graphic in most religions, its like mental abuse. Fire, torture, fire, brimstones, fire, torture, pikes, flames, torture, feces, disease, screams and so on and on. Last time I checked, that was the case with the medieval world.
Hell is much more graphically described because fear and punishment motivates much better than desire and reward. Combined however they make sturdy strings for the puppet.
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