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espen15
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 11:30 AM |
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Poll Question:
Arcane archers overpowered
If you compare master hunters and arcane archers then even a rookie can understand which alternative is best, but if hero has got unicorn horm bow then the damage is quite equal. I think that arcane archers are overpowered, but to be sure what others think i have made a poll.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted July 05, 2008 11:37 AM |
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They are seriously powerful, maybe even overpowered. They can even do some killer damage to high teir creatures. There are some things you can do to make them not such a threat tho, depending on certain things. If no unicorns around them then confuse, frenzy, PM, blind, or such. If there are..try Arcane Armor on their best target.
Wall of fire with ignite can ruin their day, as can expert wasp swarm. Take out their unicorn guardians first tho  . Dragons, phoenixes, or anything with breath attacks can be useful against them also (including the hounds that have a breath like attack, and the inferno horses).
However, yeah, they are very very strong.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 11:40 AM |
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I like strong units but I dislike when one alternative is cleary better than the other. It happens way to often, though. Arcane Archer vs. Master Hunter is the best example.
So I kinda agree ~~
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espen15
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 11:45 AM |
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i play custom duel at ubi.com and i always win with wyngaal intiative artifacts and arcane archers i can get staff of the netherworld without unicorn horn bow unlike master hunters.
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Isabel
Known Hero
Dragonblessed
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posted July 05, 2008 12:16 PM |
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Arcane archers are extremely deadly as they ignore 75% defense. They are the best vs high tier creatures, but against weaker ones they have less advantage.
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espen15
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 12:21 PM |
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Edited by espen15 at 12:23, 05 Jul 2008.
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yeah they ignore 50 percent of damage but also they have a better attack, intiative and damage and also no range penalty they only donīt have elves double shot.
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted July 05, 2008 12:25 PM |
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Is there any use for the double shot at all? I mean, it's kinda cool and all and you have two chances for the luck to trigger, but you may also only get luck on one shot...
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espen15
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 12:30 PM |
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Edited by espen15 at 12:31, 05 Jul 2008.
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in heroes 5 master hunters had only one chance for luck trigger(at the beginning of first shot and that luck applied for the second shot also).
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted July 05, 2008 12:36 PM |
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Yeah, you're probably right... It's been a while since I played H5...
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Atheist
Hired Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 12:43 PM |
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Edited by Atheist at 12:45, 05 Jul 2008.
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Master Hunter are MUCH BETTER then Arcane Archers IF you have the Archer's Dream.
Of course without Archers Dream, Arcane is better , but not always, as Warding Arrows can prove a more important skill then Force Arrow.
My vote goes for Not Overpowered. They are still a too fragile unit to be considered overpowered.
also, master hunter has 2 chances for luck. in combination with Archers Dream a double lucky master hunter can deal
~3 times more damage then an arcane archer.
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espen15
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 12:46 PM |
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Quote:
Master Hunter are MUCH BETTER then Arcane Archers IF you have the Archer's Dream.
Of course without Archers Dream, Arcane is better , but not always, as Warding Arrows can prove a more important skill then Force Arrow.
My vote goes for Not Overpowered. They are still a too fragile unit to be considered overpowered.
well everyone has its own opinion, even if archers dream arcane archers may inflict heavier damage under certain circumstances.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 01:29 PM |
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Quote:
also, master hunter has 2 chances for luck. in combination with Archers Dream a double lucky master hunter can deal
~3 times more damage then an arcane archer.
No. It's a double roll but also 1/2 of the effect. So in order to get as much damage from lucky strike as arcane archer, you have to succeed the roll check twice. Simple math. 2*8 = 16. 2*4+2*4 = 16. Same damage output.
Besides, arcane archer is almost always better, even without the no range penalty, unless you attack foes of low defense.
Against defense of 10:
Master Hunters: 73 (146)
Arcane Archers: 125
The number in bracket is without range penalty
as you see, even against a low defense of 10, the difference is not that big.
Against a creature with 20 DEF:
Master Hunter: 52 (104)
Arcane Archer: 99
See? Above 22 defense or so, Arcane Archer will always deal better damage, no matter if you have the unicorn bow or not.
The math does not lie. Arcane Archer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Master Hunter, unless you have unicorn horn bow extremely fast. But as the defense of heroes grow, at certain point, Arcane Archer will become better against almost any creature, not to mention it also has +1 init.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted July 05, 2008 01:33 PM |
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I think it's the Avenger which makes Masters considerable.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 01:37 PM |
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I agree that arcane archer is better than master hunter, though i never do the math, i prefer arcane archer because he is better againts high tier unit.
Arcane archer dmg ouput againts tier 6 or 7 usually exceed all other sylvan units. I never do the math, so i'm not sure, but it's the fact that i've seen so far.
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kodokbuduk
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 05, 2008 06:48 PM |
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arcane archer Rape tier 7 units nuff said
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted July 05, 2008 06:54 PM |
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Arcane Archers, for me, are the most overpowered creatures in this game. That doesn't mean they are the strongest, because they are only tier 3, but for a tier 3 it's just waaay too strong.
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Tavern Dweller
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posted July 05, 2008 07:29 PM |
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Arcane archers should be tier 4.Mages do 7 damage while arcane archers
do 8-9 and they have higher growth not to mention that they ignore half of the defense of their target. Among other 4 tier shooters the high druid has the most damage which is 10-14. With the range penalty it is 5-7, way behind the archers!So the arcane archers damage is high even for a tier 4 creature. If that isn't overpowered then what is?!
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 07:43 PM |
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imo, the problem isn't only the hunters / arcanes archers, but also the treants which provide them a perfect defense against any melee creature. it's just impossible to engage them in melee 
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del_diablo
Legendary Hero
Manifest
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posted July 05, 2008 07:55 PM |
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imo, the problem isn't only the hunters / arcanes archers, but also the treants which provide them a perfect defense against any melee creature. it's just impossible to engage them in melee
That is what we got Arrmageddon, Chain Ligthning and Meteor Shower for.
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ebbafan
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2008 08:12 PM |
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no that is what we have implosion puppet master and frenzy for!
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