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posted May 15, 2011 10:40 PM |
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I felt that Triss would be the better option to protect the boy, liked her more as well.
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posted May 15, 2011 10:44 PM |
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Oh yeah I did give her the boy, I mean especially after Shani's b**** reply "she only wants him cuz she can't have any of her own"...
I like Triss, but she definitely has an agenda... I'll keep her around as a lover but she ain't getting any rings or anything, and I'm not gonna settle down damnit  I'll screw around as much as I want!
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posted May 15, 2011 11:11 PM |
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no prob Adrius
As for Triss she - unlike Yennefer - was actually in love with Geralt from the very beginning. Yennefer just played with the Witcher, well, in the stories at least. Later on she indeed started to love him but Sapkowski kinda started running in circles with the story, characters warping their personalities and opinions to fit a "common" fantasy tale, which I personally dislike. The whole Yennefer-in-love was simply out of character, well, at least according to the character she displayed in the short stories.
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posted May 15, 2011 11:14 PM |
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Yennefer might be the reason that Geralt is still alive, seeing as she killed herself with the spell she used to try and resurrect him... spell might've just taken time to work and so everyone declared him dead.
Man I gotta read the books. Read a few pages from the Last Wish and I was surprised of how many characters I recognized from the game
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posted May 15, 2011 11:18 PM |
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Those are heavy spoilers, seeing that the book is relatively fresh on English-language market we probably shouldn't spoil like that  +
However
SPOILERS
Yennefer's healing magic couldn't do a damn thing. it was the Ciri girl that healed him (like she did heal the unicorn on the desert).
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posted May 15, 2011 11:22 PM |
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Oh sorry, it's just that what I spoiled is mentioned in The Witcher 2's prologue if I remember correctly, so I assumed that it was fine.
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posted May 15, 2011 11:32 PM |
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Have you read the books, btw? Shame that they are still not done with 2nd (of five) in English language. They are really nice fantasy, I must admit, even if the ending is massively screwed.
Anyways, in the books, if you don't care for spoilers:
HEAVY SPOILERS AHEAD
Yennefer tried to heal Geralt but was unable to do so and it was obvious to all spectators that she can't. She continued to try anyway and eventually passed out from exhaustion (not death - her death isn't mentioned and there is no reason why it should be).
Next, Geralt's adopted daughter Ciri - about whom the whole Saga is about - used her powers to revive Geralt. From there Sapkowski utilizes some Arthurian mythology - the story where the bodies of Witcher and Yennefer are put into a boat in a thick fog and sail away. They later wake up in another place, looking like paradise, however Geralt notices both the pain and tightness of the bandagesaround his chest wound, something that doesn't really make sense if he was dead.
The conclusion (mine) is that Ciri indeed resurrected Geralt and merely transported them to another dimension - she could, too, being able to move between both dimensions AND time. It's up to the reader to decide, however.
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posted May 15, 2011 11:42 PM |
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Even though CDP's Triss is nowhere near Sapkowski's Triss in terms of character, she's still quite charming
Umm... Triss from the books is so decisively overshadowed by Yennefer that I pity her. She looks like a weakling most of the time, especially after she starts doing whatever Philippa tells her. To be honest, I like the CDP's Triss more.
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posted May 15, 2011 11:45 PM |
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Well what she had in book was a natural gentleness (at least in the beginning) that made other sorceresses look like harpies. Look at the way she interacts with Ciri, and compare her with the other big headed buffoons the other sorceresses are in the books.
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posted May 16, 2011 12:18 AM |
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I agree that she is far more "gentle" than most of the other sorceresses and thus more amiable but it almost seems like Sapkowski wanted to emphasize her inferior willpower compared to her "sisters". While the arrogance displayed by most of the members of The Lodge and especially Philippa sometimes made me want to see Vilgeforz appearing during some of their meetings and blasting them all into oblivion, it can't be denied that they are all smart and authoritative figures. Triss looks odd, like a girl among women, and at one point effectively betrays her dearest people.
By the way, Triss is still a member of The Lodge in The Witcher and it seems that will remain such in The Witcher 2. So, I dare to speculate regarding the following: let's assume that the Kingslayer is Sigi Reuven/Dijstra - which seems very likely. In this case it's also very likely to see him wanting to get to Philippa who betrayed him in the end of the saga and who, along with The Lodge, decided to "help" drawing the political map of the North. Then it could appear that Triss is traveling with Geralt so she can neutralize the Kingslayer before he does something which The Lodge doesn't like or... hm, cut its head (although I don't really see Dijstra as a man on a mission for personal vengeance, but who knows). If the head in the trailer indeed belongs to Demawend, that's a really good start for him. Generally this could be a lovely political mess in which the ultimate problem are not these "assassins".
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posted May 16, 2011 11:48 AM |
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Just got a message that the game has been delivered... niiiice!
Too bad I probably won't have time to play in the next few days... got some Judo going on...
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posted May 16, 2011 04:17 PM |
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Triss looks odd, like a girl among women, and at one point effectively betrays her dearest people.
It was pointed multiple times that Triss was a very young sorceress, especially compared to 300 year old antiques like Philippa. So her behavior is sort of normal, I guess, at that time.
She never betrayed anybody, too. What they (the Lodge) have planned for Ciri was a reasonable way to prevent a cataclysm that was supposed to happen at some point. Just because the girl was dumb as a rock plus very arrogant (a very bad combination) doesn't mean that was a bad thing to do.
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posted May 16, 2011 07:17 PM |
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It was pointed multiple times that Triss was a very young sorceress, especially compared to 300 year old antiques like Philippa. So her behavior is sort of normal, I guess, at that time.
Well, Yennefer is less than 100 years old and has the guts to rebel against the Lodge, to face Vilgeforz even though she knows that she has no chances against him and to constantly order Geralt around - although the latter succeeds partly because he almost deliberately lets women use him (with the sole exception of Fringilla Vigo). I'd say that it's more of a character feature. After all, Triss almost literally died from... fear during the battle of Sodden Hill.
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She never betrayed anybody, too. What they (the Lodge) have planned for Ciri was a reasonable way to prevent a cataclysm that was supposed to happen at some point. Just because the girl was dumb as a rock plus very arrogant (a very bad combination) doesn't mean that was a bad thing to do.
That's true if the Ithlinne prophecy is not just an elven scarecrow and if the intentions of The Lodge are honest. There is no explicit proof for either of these. The prophecy somehow is always used by the power players for propaganda purposes and The Lodge is (mostly) composed of scheming sorceresses who have spend (and continue to spend) a lot of time to manipulate the world's politics. From Geralt's, Yennefer's and even Ciri's standpoint what Triss did was sort of a betrayal. Or at least that's how I see it.
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posted May 16, 2011 07:39 PM |
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Your saves work great Doomforge, but I can't edit the quest results... guess I would have to play through the game again then...
Ah well, might as well enjoy the new one as it is. Kinda sucks but I doubt the impact of importing is very major...
EDIT: Huh... didn't get any code for mah DLC swordsman suit... but the official release is tomorrow and I got mine a bit early so I guess they haven't sent out the emails yet... wonder if I should just play anyway...
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posted May 16, 2011 07:46 PM |
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[quoteWell, Yennefer is less than 100 years old and has the guts to rebel against the Lodge, to face Vilgeforz even though she knows that she has no chances against him and to constantly order Geralt around - although the latter succeeds partly because he almost deliberately lets women use him (with the sole exception of Fringilla Vigo). I'd say that it's more of a character feature. After all, Triss almost literally died from... fear during the battle of Sodden Hill.
Yennefer is revealed to be 92 years old in 4th book iirc and isn't exactly "young" for a sorceress, I guess it's middle age. Hard to say how old Triss is exactly, but it's constantly noted that she's really young, so she might as well have 50 years less. Think of the character changes one can undergo in between 50 years of life. If we take the narration into consideration, Yennefer moved from heartless twat to a loving, caring woman in a couple years, so I'm guessing that what Triss underwent at Sodden Hill isn't really something that makes her a coward for the rest of her life.
Triss isn't really connected to Ciri in a way Yennefer is. Yennefer is also seriously upset about her sterility and her never-materialized motherly instincts overcome her reason.
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That's true if the Ithlinne prophecy is not just an elven scarecrow and if the intentions of The Lodge are honest. There is no explicit proof for either of these. The prophecy somehow is always used by the power players for propaganda purposes and The Lodge is (mostly) composed of scheming sorceresses which have spend (and continue to spend) a lot of time to manipulate the world's politics. From Geralt's, Yennefer's and even Ciri's standpoint what Triss did was sort of a betrayal. Or at least that's how I see it.
The prophecies are always sure in low-tier fantasy settings. And there's always someone to rule the mob. Sorceresses seem an awful lot better then Emhyr at this job, so I see no prob with that. Triss may simply agree with the Lodge that having her talent under control - and the whole "prophecy" solved' - is simply beneficial for both Ciri and the Lodge, which I personally agree with. What Ciri thinks of it kinda reminds me of a kid screaming in rage when his mother tells him he gets no more candy today.
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posted May 16, 2011 07:58 PM |
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Just staring at the installation progress bar... dum de dum... 
EDIT:
I can't activate the game before the release date!!!! I WAS SO HYYYYPEED!
Gotta wait until tomorrow... 
I guess I might as well fold these papercraft figures... I got like 5 of them
EDIT2:
Phew... alright I got one of these ****ers assembled.
Here's a Rotfiend.
I shalt name thee Rotty.
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posted May 17, 2011 09:27 AM |
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Yennefer is revealed to be 92 years old in 4th book iirc and isn't exactly "young" for a sorceress, I guess it's middle age. Hard to say how old Triss is exactly, but it's constantly noted that she's really young, so she might as well have 50 years less. Think of the character changes one can undergo in between 50 years of life. If we take the narration into consideration, Yennefer moved from heartless twat to a loving, caring woman in a couple years, so I'm guessing that what Triss underwent at Sodden Hill isn't really something that makes her a coward for the rest of her life.
Triss isn't really connected to Ciri in a way Yennefer is. Yennefer is also seriously upset about her sterility and her never-materialized motherly instincts overcome her reason.
It's also stated that for a wizard everything less than 100 years is considered "young". Triss is obviously younger than Yennefer but it's uncertain how much and sometimes looks weaker and more frightened than even Ciri. Like I said, that's my point of view.
Actually I didn't like Yennefer's transformation from the said twat to a loving and caring woman as well. Not that it didn't make sense but it was somewhat poorly described. Sure, she remained selfish but still... something was just amiss.
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The prophecies are always sure in low-tier fantasy settings. And there's always someone to rule the mob. Sorceresses seem an awful lot better then Emhyr at this job, so I see no prob with that. Triss may simply agree with the Lodge that having her talent under control - and the whole "prophecy" solved' - is simply beneficial for both Ciri and the Lodge, which I personally agree with. What Ciri thinks of it kinda reminds me of a kid screaming in rage when his mother tells him he gets no more candy today.
One think I like a lot in Sapkowski's books is the "rational fantasy" that he creates. He actually disposed of much more cliches than he kept so I wouldn't say that this is a standard fantasy. The elves in particular are shown as manipulative snows with murderous instinct as well-developed as the humans' (for example, they nearly exterminated and enslaved the remainder of the humans in one of the worlds that Ciri visits when she departs from Tor Zirael), no matter that it's more subtle. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole prophecy is just a product of their despair after they realized that they are losing the world (where most of the story takes place) to the Dh'oine.
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posted May 17, 2011 12:04 PM |
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Except the prophecy, Sapkowski did a lot of smart, anti-cliche moves, I agree. If it wasn't for that damn future seeing, it would be a really good book, actually - at least regarding the plot.
And yup, the transformations were highly disappointing. Somewhere along third tome Geralt starts to have scruples, something that destroyed him imho as a great character. Earlier on he did everything without much hesitation, which created an aura of mystery around him; the reader was wondering how much did this guy live through to be like that, and, what exactly is going on in his head. As this was laid bare before us, it lost lots of appeal. Geralt has become less mysterious and much more mundane.
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posted May 17, 2011 04:26 PM |
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Well what can I say? The game is awesome
It's beautiful even though I'm only using low/medium graphics, and the Hard difficulty really is hard
Already forcing me to use all my available tools. Awesomeness.
Gonna order some upgrades for my computer soon, should allow me to push the game to max
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posted May 17, 2011 04:34 PM |
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My Pc will probably not be able to run even medium details. I'm a bit above minimum but not quite at recommended settings. Mind posting your PC's specification, Adrius?
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