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NACHOOOO
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Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 22, 2014 12:25 AM |
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Galaad said:
mvassilev said:
I would prefer a lineup like this:
Core:
Stalker
Blood Fury
Evil Eye
Elite:
Minotaur
Manticore
Hydra
Champion:
Faceless
Black Dragon
That's a very good lineup. A perfect example that Enroth and Ashan can coexist peacefully.
Its flawed to me because of its lack of shooters. Make the faceless a war machine, upgrade the hydra to champ and insert a shadow witch or Medusa and I think you're laughing.
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mvassilev
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posted October 22, 2014 12:33 AM |
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The Faceless could be a shooter. Besides, many factions in HoMM history have only had one shooter, and that was fine.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 22, 2014 01:04 AM |
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NACHOOOO said:
Make the faceless a war machine, upgrade the hydra to champ and insert a shadow witch or Medusa and I think you're laughing.
Not laughing at all. And while the Medusa fits so good in Dungeon -though only appearing there in 2 games- we could keep it for Sanctuary, as for the Shadow Witch you got that covered with the Blood Fury, which is visually speaking basically the same unit but of lower tier (BDSM snitch). The faceless as a Champion seems to offer something more interesting than as a War Machine as it could be opposed to the Seraph and the Hydra was a perfect Elite in H5.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted October 22, 2014 02:08 AM |
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Since Raptor Dungeon will never happen, this is the best possible Dark Elf Dungeon lineup:
Core
1. Stalker -> Assassin
2. Beholder -> Evil Eye
3. Witch -> Matriarch
Elite
4. Minotaur -> Taskmaster
5. Werewolf -> Lycanthropy
6. Manticore -> Scorpicore
Champ
7. Purple Dragon -> Amethyst Dragon
8. Faceless -> Puppeteer
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 02:36 AM |
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While a werewolf fits in with dark elves in general, I don't think it belongs in Ashan's Dungeon. The town is underground, and it makes little sense for such a moon-centric creature to be there. Also, there are a lot of worthy creatures fighting over a spot somewhere in the Dungeon army, and if the werewolf is included, it would be at the expense of better creatures.
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 22, 2014 03:07 AM |
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Galaad said:
mvassilev said:
I would prefer a lineup like this:
Core:
Stalker
Blood Fury
Evil Eye
Elite:
Minotaur
Manticore
Hydra
Champion:
Faceless
Black Dragon
That's a very good lineup. A perfect example that Enroth and Ashan can coexist peacefully.
Isn't this technicaly 6 lineup? 2 DE in Core. Rest Beasts. Only Faceless moved to champ and Hydra took their space.
I like this lineup a lot, I just had the need to point out how the H6 one was similar
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NACHOOOO
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Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 22, 2014 04:34 AM |
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After the emphasis that was placed on spell casters in the discover dungeon article I have a hard time seeing a lineup without an elite creature that fits that description.
What's the general consensus on the faceless? I didn't hate on them but I wasnt overly enthralled with them either. Personally I hope they're not in one of the lineups, not the end of the world if they are but I think there's better options
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 05:16 AM |
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Edited by Kimarous at 05:18, 22 Oct 2014.
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Unless people are insistent at the notion of Minotaurs being Elite, how about this lineup?
Core:
Assassin
Minotaur
Evil Eye
Elite:
Manticore
Medusa
Hydra
Champion:
Faceless
Black Dragon
Let's assume Assassin is of the H5 shooter variety as well.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 10:35 AM |
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Hm, humanoid cattle in core... No, can't see it, I mean even Dexters, one of the smallest breeds in the world bottom out at about 600 pounds (for the cows), so I really can't see any minotaur being smaller than a really big strong man, which kind of aims them at Elite.
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moonshade
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posted October 22, 2014 11:36 AM |
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My line-up
Core:
Fungoid/Fungus Hulk- nature spirit of the caves, appears as a walking, spear-toting mushroom. A tank with resistance to physical damage (but vulnerability to fire), has a chance to release confusion-causing spores upon being hit
Assassin
Beholder
Elite:
Chimera Rider
Minotaur
Medusa
Champion:
Faceless
Black Dragon
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jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 11:52 AM |
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why Black Dragon?
Be original guys. Let's have Purple Dragon and then Amethyst Dragon for upgrade.
And Medusa best fits Sanctuary.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 22, 2014 12:21 PM |
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Uncalled for.
In regards to purple dragons, it'd be less original and more getting back to roots.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 22, 2014 07:02 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:05, 22 Oct 2014.
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@SG,Avirsob,GA : Bwahahaha 
Dave_James said:
I like this lineup a lot, I just had the need to point out how the H6 one was similar
Well you can, creature-wise, H6 Dungeon's lineup was pretty good.
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Lokheit
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posted October 22, 2014 08:11 PM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
Since Raptor Dungeon will never happen, this is the best possible Dark Elf Dungeon lineup:
Core
1. Stalker -> Assassin
2. Beholder -> Evil Eye
3. Witch -> Matriarch
Elite
4. Minotaur -> Taskmaster
5. Werewolf -> Lycanthropy
6. Manticore -> Scorpicore
Champ
7. Purple Dragon -> Amethyst Dragon
8. Faceless -> Puppeteer
- No way you have "purple and amethyst" dragons, it is Black Dragon or it's not Dungeon. Also, the more the factions gets away from the purple theme, the better.
- You can have "blood furies" as core, but you can't have Matriarch as anything less than Elite, no matter how misogynist anyone could be. Matriarch implies a position of power, not regular troops. You can't have more units from a ruling class than common troops.
- I LOVE werewolves, I really really like them, but they just don't fit with this faction.
I liked H5 scouts over H6, though if Beholder returns (and I like them) it could be too much shooting (and Beholder on H6 already had damage over time effect), so I could accept either version on that case. Furies with the strike and return ability would be great too (though it would require harpies not returning to stronghold). Scout-Fury-Beholder would form a nice core group.
Then you put Minotaurs, Hydras and either Medusas (for extra shooter and crippling, they could be cursed matriarchs like warhammer medusas given how much they take from warhammer) or Manticure for an extra flyer and round up your elite troops, with Black Dragons and Faceless (shooter/caster?) as the options for Champions.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 22, 2014 09:23 PM |
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If 'Reign of Fire' taught me anything, it is that dragons have harems, apparently.
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jackson
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Random Spirit Lover
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posted October 22, 2014 10:07 PM |
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Lokheit said:
- No way you have "purple and amethyst" dragons, it is Black Dragon or it's not Dungeon. Also, the more the factions gets away from the purple theme, the better.
- You can have "blood furies" as core, but you can't have Matriarch as anything less than Elite, no matter how misogynist anyone could be. Matriarch implies a position of power, not regular troops. You can't have more units from a ruling class than common troops.
- I LOVE werewolves, I really really like them, but they just don't fit with this faction.
I completely agree with everything you say here, especially the parts I emboldened.
Lokheit said:
I liked H5 scouts over H6, though if Beholder returns (and I like them) it could be too much shooting (and Beholder on H6 already had damage over time effect), so I could accept either version on that case. Furies with the strike and return ability would be great too (though it would require harpies not returning to stronghold). Scout-Fury-Beholder would form a nice core group.
I think it's pretty likely we'll see one Dark Elf unit in the elite tier, and I do not want to see three Dark Elves in the line-up, so I'm encouraging Assassins (or Furies) in the core and Shadow Priestesses in the elite. If for some reason we don't get a Dark Elf in the elite, then I'd be okay with two in the core.
Lokheit said:
Then you put Minotaurs, Hydras and either Medusas (for extra shooter and crippling, they could be cursed matriarchs like warhammer medusas given how much they take from warhammer) or Manticure for an extra flyer and round up your elite troops, with Black Dragons and Faceless (shooter/caster?) as the options for Champions.
I'd be very happy with this - Minotaur, Hydra, Medusa/Manticore - for the elite tier. On a side note, there are renegade Medusas in Ashan, which could be a good way to get them back into Dungeon. Sadly, I do think a Dark Elf will replace one of these. So again, I'd like the Assassins in the core and Shadow Priestesses in the elite, and hopefully no more. The rest beasts, please.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 22, 2014 10:13 PM |
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Lokheit said:
I liked H5 scouts over H6, though if Beholder returns (and I like them) it could be too much shooting (and Beholder on H6 already had damage over time effect), so I could accept either version on that case. Furies with the strike and return ability would be great too (though it would require harpies not returning to stronghold). Scout-Fury-Beholder would form a nice core group.
A solution I would opt for myself would be merging the Fury and Assassin into one unit - i.e. give it name and looks and poison of Assassin (H5) but give it strike/return ability of furies. A hit/run tactics fits well with the Assassin theme, and I think the concept of a "fury" seems a bit vague, like just a means to get a (female) elven unit into the line-up rather than a unit that has a solid thematic or mythologic foundation. If the Evil Eye re-enters the line-up, the Assassin can lose the ranged ability, and we no longer need the Fury.
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What will happen now?
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moonshade
Known Hero
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posted October 23, 2014 12:47 AM |
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My thoughts...
I also think Assassins and Furies should be merged, and that the Dungeon should have no more than 2 Dark Elf units (maybe 3 if the Chimera/Manticore is given a rider) with the rest being monsters.
All my line-ups include the Assassin as a fast melee/semi-ranged (with Strike and Return, Backstab- giving extra damage against creatures who already spent their retaliation- and possibly Poison) at Core, and a Shadow Witch/Medusa (given a new backstory as transformed Dark Elves) at Elite.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 23, 2014 12:54 AM |
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The assassins should have increased damage when flanking. Fits the creature type and utilises the new system
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted October 23, 2014 03:20 AM |
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Are you sincere or are you purposefully trolling?
Seriously, another 50 SoP in H7? I mean, you'd have to be hard-pressed to believe another SoP will happen...
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