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ChrisD1
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posted October 07, 2014 06:32 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 18:32, 07 Oct 2014.
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frostymuaddib said:
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if there will be dark elf tavern heroes, which there surely will, give us some minotaur tavern heroes too
If I recall correctly, minotaurs on Ashan are slaves of Dark Elves, so this makes minotaur heroes less possible. But, I would love to see them as heroes 
close enough they were slaves of wizards. then were given as a gift to the dark elves that treated them right and they hit it off,these two. still, besides this beautiful story, they still seem very strange to me alongside a darkness faction. smth more creepy than them would be more nice.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 07, 2014 06:32 PM |
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So was it a retcon, or they became slaves in time between H6 and H5? (I suck when it comes to Ashan lore after H6 vanilla)
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@chris
This is from Heroes 5 Minotaur description:
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Along with the other Beastmen, the Minotaurs, half-man and half-bull, were created by the Wizards of the Seven Cities as replacement for the Orcs. They fled east, and underground, to earn their freedom, but they were later conquered by the Dark Elfs and once again bound in chains and muzzled. In the Dark Elf society, the Minotaurs are used as menial labour to perform the most degrading and tedious tasks. Despite this treatment, the Minotaurs are known for their bravery and dignity. They will perform any task to the utmost of their ability, including fighting for those who treat them as slaves. They hope some day to earn their freedom; the Dark Elves fear that some day, they will seize it instead.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 06:34 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
So was it a retcon, or they became slaves in time between H6 and H5? (I suck when it comes to Ashan lore after H6 vanilla)
Could be either, realy.
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Doomhammer
Known Hero
Smasher of pasties
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posted October 07, 2014 06:39 PM |
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Here we go again.
I actually would prefer Inferno, but if we end up getting Dungeon...... as long as the line up is more similar to H3 than H5 i will be happy.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 06:48 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 18:49, 07 Oct 2014.
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Probably the combination of H5 and H6.
Cores
-Stalker(melee stealth unit), Upgrade Assassin(poisonous attack)
-Lurker(ranged unit), Upgrade Shadow Lurker(cast debuffs on attack)
-Blood Sister(fast melee unit with strike and return), Upgrade Blood Fury(immune to retaliation)
Elites
-Minotaur(average speed but tanky melee unit), Upgrade Minotaur Chieftain(moral aura)
-Faceless(caster, ranged unit), Upgrade Faceless Puppeteer(Mind Control)
-Manticore(fast flyer, more fragile than other elites with better damage), Upgrade Scorpicore(Paralyzing attack)
Champions
-Shadow Dragon(fast flyer, immune to spells that deal damage, breath attack), Upgrade Black Dragon(immune to all magic)
-Cave Hydra(average speed melee unit, tanky, that attacks all targets around it, immune to retaliation), Upgrade Dread Hydra(acid, regeneration)
I would play the crap out of this Dungeon(or similar to it) even though I like Inferno a lot more.
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 06:54 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
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if there will be dark elf tavern heroes, which there surely will, give us some minotaur tavern heroes too
If I recall correctly, minotaurs on Ashan are slaves of Dark Elves, so this makes minotaur heroes less possible. But, I would love to see them as heroes
It wouldn't be in violation of the laws of history for a slave to be appointed to a position of leadership. It happened sometimes in the middle East and Africa. Slave or not I could imagine a Minotaur hero.
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
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posted October 07, 2014 06:54 PM |
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Well, if I have correctly read between the lines of the "Discover Dungeon" post on the official site, unfortunately minotaurs are not even mentioned. And, unfortunately again in contrast to my personal preference, the troglodytes are coming back
The only thing that makes me a little happy is the reference to the Black Dragons...
Ofc it's too soon to judge. We'll see...
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 07, 2014 06:55 PM |
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@Raelag
I really hope they would consider that. Minotaur heroes were epic in H3
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 06:57 PM |
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Shadow Panther 
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Was actually one of the few things I liked about MMH VI, along with Sactuary, though I Think they should be inthe Dungeon faction 
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted October 07, 2014 06:59 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
@Raelag
I really hope they would consider that. Minotaur heroes were epic in H3
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 06:59 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 19:01, 07 Oct 2014.
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Raelag84 said:
It wouldn't be in violation of the laws of history for a slave to be appointed to a position of leadership.
even in Ashan alone, Maximus in H6 was one example
I don't think the Minotaurs should be slaves at all though, that's one retcon I actually appreciate lol
Marzhin said:
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 07, 2014 07:02 PM |
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Marzhin said:
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
You are the man Marzhin! Thank you for everything you are doing for Heroes !
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 07:04 PM |
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Marzhin said:
frostymuaddib said:
@Raelag
I really hope they would consider that. Minotaur heroes were epic in H3
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
Very nice.
Oh and don't forget Deemer!
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
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posted October 07, 2014 07:05 PM |
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verriker said:
I don't think the Minotaurs should be slaves at all though, that's one retcon I actually appreciate lol
I think we post-rationalized that by saying it's only the Soulscar clan that enslaved its minotaurs. But I don't know if that has passed into canon yet.
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Storm-Giant
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Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 07, 2014 07:09 PM |
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Marzhin said:
verriker said:
I don't think the Minotaurs should be slaves at all though, that's one retcon I actually appreciate lol
I think we post-rationalized that by saying it's only the Soulscar clan that enslaved its minotaurs. But I don't know if that has passed into canon yet.
Marzhin said:
frostymuaddib said:
@Raelag
I really hope they would consider that. Minotaur heroes were epic in H3
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
Fantastic news
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 07:10 PM |
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Marzhin said:
I think we post-rationalized that by saying it's only the Soulscar clan that enslaved its minotaurs. But I don't know if that has passed into canon yet.
Not to my knowledge....
Marzhin said:
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
+1000000000
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 07, 2014 07:14 PM |
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Marzhin said:
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
Big thumbs up from me as well
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 07:16 PM |
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Marzhin said:
frostymuaddib said:
@Raelag
I really hope they would consider that. Minotaur heroes were epic in H3
If Dungeon is voted I'll do whatever it takes to have Darkstorm among their roster. Black Minotaur Sorcerer? Ooooohh yeeeeeah
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 08:13 PM |
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my wish/suggestion about dungeon:
make basilisks-evil eyes in dungeon in champion/elite position. they have no problems with theme and they fit perfectly. i saw a cult in baldurs gate, it was a blind cult. they carve out their own eyes and worship a big beholder. i think this would be perfect for heroes dungeon. evil eyes in champion, supported by blind cult army, basilisk in elite. this felt much more right and evil and ofcourse much more attuned with darkness.
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moonshade
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 08:21 PM |
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My line-up...
Core:
- Troglodyte / Abyssal Troglodyte: A tanky melee unit, with new appearances. Deathly pale and muscular (with a tail swinging behind them), wearing nasty black spiked armor (including a helmet covering most the face except for their sharp teeth) and fighting with cruel-looking halberds. Abilities would include immunity to blindness and perhaps other mind spells, and some wounding ability.
- Stalker / Assassin: Hooded Dark Elves their faces covered by masks (unknown sex). Glass cannons- fast, damaging but fragile. Abilities include backstab (extra damage against units who already spent their retaliation) and poison.
- Beholder / Ocolus: Ranged units, shooting eyerays. Abilities include no melee penalty and inflicting a random debuff- and perhaps the ability to dispel illusion spells (making them the ultimate anti-Dungeon unit).
Elite:
- Minotaur / Minotaur Gladiator: Overall great melee units, combining good attack and damage with ok speed and high durability- kinda like the H5 Minotaurs. Abilities include Bravery, the Gladiator can throw a net to immobilize enemies.
- Dark Raider / Dark Knight: Armored male Dark Elves riding Chimeras- creatures part goat, part lion and part serpent/dragon. Basically flying units with the Cerberus' area attack (and the ability to focus on a single enemy for extra damage) and poison for the upgraded version (but different from the Assassin's- perhaps inflicting a debuff rather than damage, like spell vulnerability for better synergy with the other units).
- Medusa / Medusa Matriarch: Rather than make them corrupted Nagas, I would correct lore to make Medusas female Dark Elves blessed/ cursed by Malassa. A spellcasting shooter, whose abilities include stone gaze and no melee penalty and a variety of debuffs. Alternately- Shadow Witches / Matriarchs, with similar abilities (with Matriarchs being able to summon Darkness Elementals).
Champion:
- Red Dragon / Black Dragon: I know it fits lore less, but I miss Red Dragons from H2/H3 Dungeon and I think we can always find some lore explanations how they adapt to life in the darkness and their scales- and souls- darken. Anyway, I would go for a more mundane (less shiny/butterfly/eyes) but still badass look- the Dungeons and Dragons Black Dragon is a very good example. I also think they should be possibly the most powerful Champions in the game- with price reflecting that.
- Faceless / Ancient Faceless: Powerful but fragile casters, whose spells include a good mix of offense, illusion and debuffs. Upgrade can possibly sacrifice friendly units to regain spell points.
Warfare Units:
- Orb of Shadows: A floating orb containing swirling darkness. Increases the power of your spells, particularly Dark Magic.
- Poisoner's Tent: Like a Healing Tent, but reverse- poisons enemies instead of healing allies. Possibly, a secondary skill allows the choice of different kinds of venoms.
- Cave Giant: A rock-throwing, enslaved and blind giant. The Dungeon's Catapult.
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