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posted June 14, 2010 12:58 PM |
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Not on my account, but we should get back to the topic at hand.
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posted June 14, 2010 01:15 PM |
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Right, to get back on topic:
A committee to investigate the IDF raid on the flotilla has finally been chosen. It will be comprised of three Israelis and two outside watchers:
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The Turkel committee, headed by retired Supreme Court Justice Jacob Turkel, includes two Israeli members aside from the former judge: Amos Horev, who served as president of the Technion, and Shabtai Rosen, a professor of international law.
In addition, two international observers have been elected to the committee: William David Trimble, the first minister of Northern Ireland, and Ken Watkin, former judge advocate general of the Canadian military.
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posted June 14, 2010 10:55 PM |
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We Con the World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Con_the_World
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We Con the World is a viral video produced in 2010 by the Israeli online comedy program Latma TV, a Saturday Night Live-like parody show. CBS News characterized its goal as "to hit back at worldwide condemnation of Israel following Monday's raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla" with parody[1].
You tube removed this parody so you won't find it there.
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posted June 14, 2010 11:30 PM |
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I can not believe how they can be so disrespectful.
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posted June 15, 2010 06:09 AM |
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Personally I think it's too early to judge still. There is as media war with two sides arguing and people polarizing their opinions... never a good thing. We can't judge for sure either way in a 100% certainty and it seems, the truth probably (as it usually does) lay somewhere in the middle.
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posted June 15, 2010 06:22 AM |
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Shyranis, how dare you bring common sense into this!  . Like most things, everybody has a side..and often truth falls somewhere in the middle. If you through up enough smoke and mirrors though, nobody will ever know it. People do love to speculate and take sides though.
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posted June 15, 2010 12:52 PM |
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I am amazed how some people think that only firearms can be used to kill people.
I am amazed how some people think that someone carefully planned to ambush a squad of special forces armed to the teeth, by using crowbars and wooden planks.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:14 PM |
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posted June 16, 2010 08:41 PM |
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I am amazed how some people think that only firearms can be used to kill people.
I am amazed how some people think that someone carefully planned to ambush a squad of special forces armed to the teeth, by using crowbars and wooden planks.
What about simply wanting to put Israel in a bad spot and make them look bad? I can think of quite a few who'd like that. I mean it's been said a lot more elaborately than I can in this thread before but this really was just to screw Israel over.
The aid could have been delivered differently and you have no business breaking through a legitimate blockade and you should especially not continue once armed israeli forces tell you to stop. They do not ****ing joke man, everyone knows that. There really is no reason to run into that, is there?
About the casualties... well there's not much to say they're dead civilians of course it's horrible.
But a) don't assault an soldier (with knives, crowbars and whatnot) and exspect him to just take the beating (like they did from the footage I've seen). Obviously he'll shoot.
b) the people who sent them into that mess are more to blame than the soldiers who commandered the boat. Of course the boat wasn't going to get through.
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posted June 16, 2010 09:37 PM |
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What you won't see on the leftist media.
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Already seen this on leftist news: NRK. So yeah....
Good job finding a somewhat central source, it was a good sum up of the 1 trouble boat on the floatilla along with some background information the blind "pro-gaza" movement has forgotten to mentioned.
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posted June 16, 2010 11:58 PM |
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What about simply wanting to put Israel in a bad spot and make them look bad? I can think of quite a few who'd like that.
How many of those would take a bullet (or seven) in the head just to make Israel look bad?
If you're doing something you know will get you killed, you do it with a bang. You blow yourself up or pull someone with you or something.
You do not charge a commando with a wooden plank and die as part of a smear campaign.
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posted June 17, 2010 12:16 AM |
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The video clearly shows the terrorists beating the soldiers with iron clubs and stabbing the soldiers. When live rounds were fired at the soldiers they returned fire. As far as I'm concerned they should have blown the heads off everyone holding a weapon. I think the Israeli soldiers showed remarkable restraint and are to be commended.
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posted June 17, 2010 12:19 AM |
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Of course you're right. Then again I wasn't talking about the people on board I was talking about the people who sent them in there/encouraged them to charge head on into a military sea blockade. They sure as hell didn't mind the activists dying. I'm sure the people on board didn't go there to be entirely anti-israel they were pro-gaza activist and probably wanted to help but that doesn't mean that they weren't used.
Is it really so unbelieve that that wasn't really about delivering aid that would have been delivered either way? They say it was a humanatarian operation. So the goal should have been to transport the goods into gaza. The israelis would have done that for them. INSTEAD they try to run through a military blockade after being ordered to stop under the threat of being boarded when not complying. That sounds just as unreasonable to me.
EDIT: Of course I can say whatever I want to but when Elodin is on my side of argument it kinda makes the effort useless.
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posted June 17, 2010 12:27 AM |
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Elodin is like the ultimate anti-argument. Elodin makes me want to go argue against Israel, you know? Even though, I largely have nothing against that nation and I condone its existence (that sounded so snob of me).
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Of course it's not unbelievable that it wasn't about aid. It's just even less believable that it was their plan all along to do what they did. Both sides probably thought they were being incredibly clever with whatever the **** they were trying to do and screwed up majorly. Everything goes on as usual, just with a few more people on St Peter's list (seriously you guys you're Jews and Muslims, you're going to Hell anyway, why are you constantly speeding up the process?).
Anyway I get the feeling that HC is the only place that still thinks about what happened.
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The other ship told the Israeli's to "Shut the **** up. Go back to Auschwitz. We're helping Arabs go against the US. Don't forget 9/11 guys."
Yeah, that sure sounds like they were peaceful activists not planning anything.
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Another vidow was previously posted where one of the ship captains discusses the terrorists making weapons and plans to attack the Israelis.
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posted June 17, 2010 01:53 AM |
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The other ship told the Israeli's to "Shut the **** up. Go back to Auschwitz. We're helping Arabs go against the US. Don't forget 9/11 guys."
This had me laughing out loud.
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posted June 17, 2010 10:12 AM |
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The other ship told the Israeli's to "Shut the **** up. Go back to Auschwitz. We're helping Arabs go against the US. Don't forget 9/11 guys."
Yeah, that sure sounds like they were peaceful activists not planning anything.
Yes, this really asks for several bullets in the head, no doubt. This is how civilized nations should act nowadays, to be able to differ them from the so called "barbarian" nations. 
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posted June 17, 2010 07:20 PM |
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THe world would be better without Israel. All the islamic nations would be happier, thats for sure.
Israel is like a bully supported by the United States.
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posted June 17, 2010 07:36 PM |
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The world would be better off without humans.
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