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THe world would be better without Israel. All the islamic nations would be happier, thats for sure.
Israel is like a bully supported by the United States.
gee that a smart thing to say and the people living in israel should go were?
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posted June 18, 2010 02:09 PM |
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Well, those people should never have been to Israel in the first place but thats kind of late to say now. Israel should be split in half into one palestinian and one israelian area since it seems like they can't live together. But yes, Israel is basically a seeder to a very big if not one of the biggest conflicts today that has affected the entire world.
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It is sad some people call Israel a bully when they are not in fact a bully. Arabs surrounded Israel in 1967 to destroy them but Israel kicked their collective butts and gained some land in the process, most of which they have given up. They are continually attacked by cowardly Islamic terrorists and yet some people call Israel the bullies.
It is also sad that although there are lots of Arab nations some people begrudge the Jews their one ancient homeland.
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posted June 18, 2010 10:17 PM |
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Elodin, they did not "get their collective butt kicked", thats the juvenile way of saying conquered and occupied. your damn right some people are going to find issue with that!
I mean, you'd be insensed if, for example, Russia "Kicked" americas "butt" and "won some land in the process". I dare say you would become a "Cowardly terrorist" in order to get your land back.
and to be fair, what right does Isreal have to blockade palestine and starve them into submission?
one man's terrorist, another man's freedom fighter.
P.S also, Hamas's rocket attacks, verses Isreali tanks, helicopters, planes, all the best military tech on the face of the planet. are you honestly saying that might should make right?
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posted June 18, 2010 10:27 PM |
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First of all, there's a big difference between a blockade and starvation. Tons of supplies including food are being transported into Gaza strip every day.
And if Israel really thought that might makes right it would've wiped out the Gaza strip and HAMAS with it a long time ago. The reason it doesn't do it, is because unlike HAMAS Israel tries to avoid hurting civilians.
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posted June 18, 2010 10:29 PM |
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Elodin, they did not "get their collective butt kicked", thats the juvenile way of saying conquered and occupied. your damn right some people are going to find issue with that!
Huh? You evidently have remained uninformed dispite all I have posted.
Arab nations surrounded the nation of Israel in 1967 in order to destroy it. Did you not understand that? That is called the Six Day War. Instead of Isreal being destroyed, Isreal kicked the butts of the Arab nations who were determined to destroy Israel.
I suggest that you go back and read my synopsis of the history of the Gaza Strip since you seem to have quite a bit of misunderstanding about what is going on.
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and to be fair, what right does Isreal have to blockade palestine and starve them into submission?
HAMAS controls Gaza. HAMAS does not recognize the right of Isreal to exist ans shells Israel with reockets and mortar rounds and conducts other terrorst attacks. HAMAS violently took over Gaza from FATAH.
Under international law Israel has every ritht to conduct the blockade. Go back and read my quotations of international law please.
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Arab nations surrounded the nation of Israel in 1967 in order to destroy it. Did you not understand that? That is called the Six Day War. Instead of Isreal being destroyed, Isreal kicked the butts of the Arab nations who were determined to destroy Israel.
So they intentionally moved their boarders to surround isreal? sorry, I don't understand you're logic there. couldn't it be more simple? like, I don't know, the UN and the west carving out a great section of palestinian land to plonk jewish settlers there to give them a homeland after all these years, as well as giving them full military backing?
again, bringing it inot a personal issue, how would you feel if we tore out a great section of the USA, say, Utah, Kansas, Nebraska and Ohio in order to give it back to the native americans?
The six day war was just with egypt, syria and jordan, and again, it was desputes over oil and water reserves. All isreal needed to do in that war in order to win and keep the moral high ground was defend as last out. Turning it into a war for conquest is just stupid, as they loose all diplomatic sympathy.
again, they are a nation created purely on the guilts of europeans and americans. the palestinians had been there for generations, just as long as the isrealites were, originally, so it makes no sense to call it Isreali land, as it's just as much isreali as palenstinian, both people have equal claim to it.
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and to be fair, what right does Isreal have to blockade palestine and starve them into submission?
HAMAS controls Gaza. HAMAS does not recognize the right of Isreal to exist ans shells Israel with reockets and mortar rounds and conducts other terrorst attacks. HAMAS violently took over Gaza from FATAH.
Under international law Israel has every ritht to conduct the blockade. Go back and read my quotations of international law please.
Well, do you accept the right for molossia to exist?
and what else can they do? they are being starved to death by the isreali blockade. they live in squalor, the aid was sent was purely humanitarian, the situation is completely and utterly dire!
Isreal is not a victim here. It is not an oppressed nation, It vastly outways the palestinians in terms of arms, man power, and backing. this is not a war, this is a fight between a smilidon and a frog.
I do not support Hamas's actions, it's utterly inflamatory what they do. Suffer in silence, with dignity, if you must suffer.
and again, Humanitarian aid, from international organisations does not equal terrorists...
Just out of interest, Elodin, are you just going to label everyone who disagrees with Isreal a terrorist?
because a 72 year old jewish lady from england might be a terrorist. look at her, going off to play bingo! Beware BINGO!
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posted June 18, 2010 11:45 PM |
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Yes, the creation of Israel is a wrong, but it's there, so to argue about that is useless.
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posted June 19, 2010 12:11 AM |
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First, Israel did not kick the but of anyone alone. It had free advanced technology from USA, a lot of.
Now, just imagine Palestinians having soviet or Chinese last technologies and 7 millions dollars daily coming from the sky, as Israel receives. I doubt Israel would still claim anything, but instead it will negotiate and shut up. The problem in this confrontation is not Israel nor Palestinians, but the Jew lobby in USA plundering Americans and sending money. Without it, peace would be possible since long time ago.
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No, the evilllll Joooows are not plundering anyone. The US recognizes who the good guys and bad guys are in the Middle East and helps its good ally and friend Israel.
Egypt, Jordan, and Syria were the ones who surrounded Isreal in a vain effort to destroy Israel, However, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to those aggressor nations. At the end of the Six Day War, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. That sounds like some serious kicking of collective butt to me! The good guy beat back the agressors against all odds. That's the stuff of great movies!
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posted June 19, 2010 12:31 AM |
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You know, its like two guys going to box together. But one is given an UZI and a gun for free, and other nothing. True kick but...there is not bad guy or good guy in this fight. The bad guys are elsewhere and arming one of the guys for an unfair combat.
One of the modern war paradoxes is that if both are well armed, they will talk before fight. That's my point.
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No, the evilllll Joooows are not plundering anyone. The US recognizes who the good guys and bad guys are in the Middle East and helps its good ally and friend Israel.
You Lacist!
Elodin, there are no such things as good guys and bad guys. no-one does things thinking "this is bad so I do them." everyone thinks they are in the right.
You know, to quite alot of people, the USA is a domineering oil-greedy giant who bullys nations into doing things for them. To many people, England is an elitist bigot whose sole purpose is to trample on rights. No nation is ever, EVER in the right, we all bear our scars of terrible histories and atrocities commited under our nations name.
you do know that America wanted to be completely out of world war 2 for entirely selfish reasons? You do know that the USA was just as likely to join with the nazi's as with the allies, because that meant kicking the USSR's head in?
Native americans decline and isolation spring to mind with the USA.
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Egypt, Jordan, and Syria were the ones who surrounded Isreal in a vain effort to destroy Israel, However, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to those aggressor nations. At the end of the Six Day War, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. That sounds like some serious kicking of collective butt to me!
Great-flaming-willies, what are you, twelve?
two sides are at war, one beats the other and gains land. That is not "Serioes kicking of collective butt" that is conquest and domination. We don't live in the world where nations speak like they are kids in a playground, it's just not feasable.
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The good guy beat back the agressors against all odds. That's the stuff of great movies!
you know what, you're right. So here's a movie you might like.
Taliban: the struggle of a noble resistance group against an evil invading army. whilst they are vastly outnumbered and under equiped, they manage to battle against all odds and defeat their agressors.
or alternatively
Veitcong: the struggle of a noble resistance group against an evil invading army. whilst they are vastly outnumbered and under equiped, they manage to battle against all odds and defeat their agressors.
or, Alternatively
Castro: the struggle of a noble resistance group against an evil invading army. whilst they are vastly outnumbered and under equiped, they manage to battle against all odds and defeat their agressors.
I tell you, they'd sell for alot more than
Isreal: the struggle of a nation surrounded by other nations after forcefully taking their land away from them. the other nations fight back, but the aggressor decimates them with higher technology and funding.
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posted June 19, 2010 10:17 AM |
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@bixie
Again, blockade =/= starvation. Come on, say it with me: blockade is not the same thing as starvation.
As for both people having claim over the land... You really wanna know how it started? I'll tell you. Once upon a time the land of Palestine was under the control of the Turks. Then the English came and took it away. Then when they decided they don't need it anymore, they looked around and saw that there many Jews and Arabs on the land. After much consideration the UN has decided that the land will be separated between the two great nations and Jerusalem will be an international territory. Since there were more Arabs than Jews, the Arabs would get the bigger part of land. The Jews b*tched about as Jews always do, but decided that something is better than nothing and accepted it. The Arabs showed everyone the middle finger and declared war on the newly born state of Israel. That's how things started. Whether it was a mistake or not is debatable, but please don't say that the Jews just waltzed in here claiming total domination over the region. All they wanted is a place to call home on their ancestors soil.
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Egyptians did have Soviet technology. They have officers trained in USSR and they did have Soviet support in the Six Day War, So, yeah.
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posted June 19, 2010 10:29 AM |
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There were almost no Jews in palestine when Birtish conquered it from the Turks. Britain started advertising Palestine to get rid of their jews.
And Egypt did not have Soviet support in six day war.
Get your facts right.
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posted June 19, 2010 10:31 AM |
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Was it the Yom Kipur war then? We had too many wars in the last 60 years, it's no wonder I confuse them once in a while.
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posted June 19, 2010 01:45 PM |
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Let's not fall for Elodin's standard tactics of painting everything black and white and pushing people with a more differentiated opinion is some corner.
This hasn't got anything to do with good sides and bad sides, it's just about trying to find actual solutions for actual problems.
Whether there shouldn't have been an Israel or not is rather irrelevant - there is one, and long enough to have a right to exist further. Denying Israel the right to exist, is therefore, if nothing else, unpragmatic, if we talk about naked politics only, leaving aside the fates of the people involved.
Israel, on the other hand, isn't doing anything to try and solve the problem in general - it doesn't recognize anything except Israel and their interests, and as long as Israel is backed unconditionally by the US this won't change.
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posted June 19, 2010 02:02 PM |
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That's not exactly true that Israel doesn't recognize anything else. One of the first things Netanyahu said when he became Prime Minister is that he believes in the solution of two countries. The dialogues are moving over the years, they just move way to slowly because of violence from both sides. That being said, I don't think I can recall the Palestinians making any promises towards Israel in the past few years (at least).
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posted June 19, 2010 02:32 PM |
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You think so?
Shouldn't Israel make a substantial suggestion how to install a Palestinensian state, specifically on which territory?
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We had too many wars in the last 60 years,...
This should make you think about your (nation) behaving and your image...
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