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posted June 01, 2010 05:51 PM |
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"There were obviously terrorists on board and the plan was to incite Israel to board and then to murder the Jews"
Oh yes a bunch of brave activists who left their houses to bring some help to the dying people of gaza.Yes i heard there were some terrible weapons onboard, some swiss knifes and some spoons...
"The radical Islamic jihadists don't recoginze the right of Israel to exist" and of course the supplies would have gone to terrorists if the flotilla had made it through the blockade."
Helloooo the whole nation of Israel don't recognize the right of the palestinian people to have their official state!
"and of course the supplies would have gone to terrorists if the flotilla had made it through the blockade."
Well if to you terrorists are the children and innocent people of palestine then i kinda agree.I remember how well your airforce bombed that school in gaza before one and a half year.I saw some 10 years old palestinian terrorists being ripped off.Great success...
"The film clearly shows the terrorists attacking first"
Oh yes i've seen schindler's list aswell...
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posted June 01, 2010 05:54 PM |
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Helloooo the whole nation of Israel don't recognize the right of the palestinian people to have their official state!
Not true. Please don't try to pass your own version of the truth as facts.
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posted June 01, 2010 10:55 PM |
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Maybe its hard for the people in Israel to get another opinion if all their media and government says the same thing.
I strongly doubt that the people on those ships were terrorists, especially when there were famous (here) journalists and authors from here on them.
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posted June 01, 2010 10:59 PM |
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Maybe its hard for the people in Israel to get another opinion if all their media and government says the same thing.
Yes, Xerox, coming from you it really means a LOT. Thank you for opening my eyes to the great Swedish truth.
No one said that each and every man there was a terrorist. What we did say was that on one of the ships there were violent provocateurs who viciously attacked Israeli soldiers with cold weapons and therefore were the ones responsible for the heating up of the incident. And I doubt any of those people were respected journalists.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:07 PM |
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I think its kind of obvious Israel attacked first. Why would they else move way out on international water with a lot of armed soldiers etc and board the ships?
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posted June 01, 2010 11:11 PM |
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Israel tried to conduct a non-violent takeover. And it successfully managed to do so on 5 out of 6 ships. On the biggest ship, however, the soldiers were met with severe violence right from the start and were forced to react accordingly.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:13 PM |
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The Israeli ships should still not have been on international water and pirated the ships.
And now the rest of the ships will not be able to continue to Gaza.
Israelis praise and celebrate Israels attack on the ship(s)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a3_1275348204
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posted June 01, 2010 11:17 PM |
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The ships won't move into Gaza, but their cargo will be moved there by land after it undergoes the necessary security checks.
Edit: It's amazing how much you can twist reality with the right title. Similar things to what you just linked to happened all over Israel today. Their purpose was to support our soldiers who got injured during the operation and to remind them and everyone else that the Israeli people stand behind the soldiers on this issue and think that they acted correctly. This is in no way a celebration of people's death or anything of the sort.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:25 PM |
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Israel tried to conduct a non-violent takeover. And it successfully managed to do so on 5 out of 6 ships. On the biggest ship, however, the soldiers were met with severe violence right from the start and were forced to react accordingly.
So, basically you enter my house by blowing the door (international waters), I take a stick and you shut me down with a gun. Then say I was aggressive. You people not afraid being ridiculous. With so many dead people on your country conscience, I would just shut up and listen other countries shock.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:30 PM |
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First of all, international waters are not really your home. But that's not the most important mistake in your analogy. Here is how you should have described the rest:
You take a stick knife and start stubbing me, I shoot you down with a paintball gun hoping you would stop and refusing to open real fire. Instead you steal my real gun and start shooting at me at which point I take out another gun and shoot back.
I'd say the soldiers acted out of self defense on this one.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:35 PM |
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International waters are not my home, but my boat in international waters IS my home and you will be not welcome if armed, naturally. Israel thinks he has all the rights because its lobby in USA government, which keeps the neutrality by money power. If it wasn't that, you would be under international invasion/embargo long time ago.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:37 PM |
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If it wasn't for USA's support Israel would be screwed, on the other hand if it wasn't for the Arabian League support no one would care about Palestinians. No one is perfect in this struggle.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:44 PM |
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I can't believe Israel became a country to start with. It would be very interesting if Sweden moved into Finland and said "Yeah, Finland was a part of Sweden for hundreds of years so yeah... well, it is our land now. We take it back. We live here now. Just go somewhere else, you are not worth anything."
A better example would be Åland but most people do not what that is.
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posted June 01, 2010 11:48 PM |
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Nobody contest the right of Israel to defend itself. But the disproportion of armed answers is shocking the whole world. And the arguments are just pitiful, sorry. It is not a video game.
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posted June 02, 2010 12:10 AM |
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*YAWN* Anything new about that cat that might exist?
We've seen half a video of the event. We have no idea if the israeli soldiers fired first, and then got attacked or if it was the other way around.
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posted June 02, 2010 12:38 AM |
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Nobody contest the right of Israel to defend itself. But the disproportion of armed answers is shocking the whole world. And the arguments are just pitiful, sorry. It is not a video game.
So you think when the soldiers were being stabbed they should have pulled out knoves of their own and had a knife fight? Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, if someone stabs me and I have a gun I am going to shoot them.
Of couise the Jew haters of the world will always condemn Israel no matter what Israel does.
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posted June 02, 2010 12:58 AM |
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It does not have anything to jews to do... But Israels politics atm really need to change.
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posted June 02, 2010 01:17 AM |
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Sorry, if someone stabs me and I have a gun I am going to shoot them.
Of couise the Jew haters of the world will always condemn Israel no matter what Israel does.
Sorry to jump in but I just find your comment unwarranted and frankly inappropriate. "Stabbing" is not synonymous with "sailing to Gaza". You introduce religious contention into the discussion where it is irrelevant. No matter who or what launches a "provoked" attack on a humanitarian vessel, it remains an attack.
The above practically implies that had, for instance, I attacked the flotilla, I would go uncondemned by everyone, UN or EU alike, aside from Cepheus haters.
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posted June 02, 2010 02:02 AM |
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Oh, it has everything to do with Jew haters.
The flotilla was trying to run the blockade. Do you deny this?
The Israelis tried to stop the flotilla peacefully and did, all but on ship. On that ship were HAMAS terrorists hiding among civilians like brave little Islamic terrorists love to do. They attacked the soldiers. The soldiers defended themselves. Actually, they showed a lot fo restraint in that at first they only shot paintballs at them. They should have blown away the attackers as soon as they attacked. I'll bet next time they do.
The soldiers had a right to defend themselves. I'm sorry that you seem to disagree.
Like I said, there are people who hate the Jews. They will always side with whoever is doing something to the Jews. You don't agree? Fine.
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posted June 02, 2010 01:56 PM |
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Seriously you being ridiculous trying to say that it was right!Does anyone here speak chinese or what??P-I-R-A-C-Y you want me to yell it?International waters?What exactly you do not understand here?Back to basics?The somalian pirates proved themselves way more civilized people than the blood thirsty israelis military men.
And about the blockade.The israel put the blockade.That doesn't mean it's legal.As a human of this planet i don't recognize the blockade, i don't recognize the biggest concentration camp ever created i don't recognize the israeli occupation of palestine.
Luckily there are still some reasonable voices in israel.I've read some israeli newspapers and i liked the way they judged the attack.So i don't believe that Geny for example is brainwashed cause of israeli media.He has a choice what to hear what to see what to believe.Everyone's make his choices.And when i see people of being that cool by the fact of killing people in this way i get mad.
The mistakes of israel are way to many to be hidden now.Sooner or later Israel will lose even its' buddy from the other side of the atlantic.In an area surrounded by enemies losing your only friend Turkey wasn't a clever choice.The whole world wants to free gaza now and stop the massacre.Israel with it's arrogant behavior gave the world the hate.Everyone has to obey to international laws.
As turkish prime minister said “Today is a turning point in history. Nothing will be same again,” And the crazy thing is that many people in Israel can't see how difficult they made their position.
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