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posted August 25, 2012 01:40 AM |
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Yo Doomforge, I'm interested in reading some of that Polish "Go Breivik Go" stuff on the forum boards.
Mind finding a thread or two for me that I can push through google translate?
sure. Try this one for instance. The comments below the article are... well, see for yourself.
Google translate probably won't translate a lot of the jargon used there though. So let me translate the most common words there:
"lewak"; "lewus"; "lewacki" - contemptuously about a person with SUPPOSED leftist ideology (because nobody has leftist ideology there, still, the more rightwinged guys call the less righwinged guys communists - typical polish discussion board)
"multikulti" - multicultural enivronment
"komuchy" - supposed communists
"ciapaci" - contemptuously about Muslims
"pejsaci" - contemptuously about Jews
Since those are the most common words there, it should help a lot with the translation.
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posted August 25, 2012 01:43 AM |
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Maybe my history is a bad but isn't Poland the country that got blitzkrieged by extreme fascists AND communists for much of the 20th century? WTF is wrong with your country, DF? Didn't they learn anything?
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posted August 25, 2012 01:50 AM |
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Cor not many now live that fully experienced fascism, while communism was felt by most of the population either growing up in resentment of it, or felt the full brunt of the USSR during the failed attempt to break away from it.
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posted August 25, 2012 01:53 AM |
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Yeah but you'd think something like that would have a lasting impact on culture. Guess not.
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posted August 25, 2012 02:01 AM |
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Poland suffered considerably from fascism and communism, yes. The same nation that lost million of jewish Poles to crazed ideology SUPPORTS the same ideology nowadays in a fairly large percentage. Not sure about the exact numbers, but I'm pretty confident that over 50% Poles or so displays various degrees of negative attitude towards Jews - from lack of sympathy to downright hatred. You can google translate the page I linked above, you'll see for yourself. Some of the more obscure posts I found there:
"Anders, we're with you! Millions of whites are with you, you did a very good thing"
"Well, at least there's less of leftist evil" (after Breivik killed the kids)
"You may agree with his actions or not, but his motifs were true"
"Leftists cattle will lead to total islamisation of Europe, Pinochet was a hero"
"20 years from now on, Breivik will be revered as a hero for white people"
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posted August 25, 2012 02:03 AM |
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Breivik has a "suite" of 3 cells in prison. A bedroom, a study, and a workout room. Oh yes, his punishment is quite severe.
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He currently has three cells, in "compensation" for being denied access to activities available to other inmates, prison spokeswoman Ellen Bjercke explained.
A cell at Ila prison equipped as a gym (undated photo released by prison) Breivik's exercise cell is seen here
Each cell measures 8 sq m (86 sq ft). One is a bedroom, one contains fitness equipment and the third is a study with a laptop fixed to a desk.
The computer is not connected to the internet, in order to prevent communication with the outside world.
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For fresh air, Breivik has access to a reserved outside area enclosed by tall concrete walls and barbed wire.
For entertainment, he has a TV set and can order books from the prison library, which is part of the public library network. In theory, he can have any books he wants unless there are security concerns - "not bomb-making manuals", as Ms Bjercke put it.
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While still on trial he was allowed to spend his time much as he wished but, as a convict, he will be wakened each morning at 0700. It will still be up to him, however, what time he goes to sleep as there is no "lights out" rule.
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posted August 25, 2012 02:09 AM |
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You can keep repeating that it is hearsay as much as you want, but all the major news organizations say that he apologized to militants for not killing more people.
I even showed you the video clip of the actual incident. It's not my fault you don't speak the language, or that American "news" organisations get their facts wrong and then quote each other because it's more sensational than what actually happened.
None of the Norwegian news organisations mention it, as far as I can see. They just show the clip where he was interrupted and leave it at that, because what he said further would be pure speculation.
Is the BBC a sensationalist news organization dominated by evil Americans too?
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Breivik said he did not recognise the court, which he contended had "sided with the multicultural majority in parliament", but added: "I cannot appeal against the judgement because by appealing I would legitimise the court."
He went on to say: "I wish to apologise to all militant nationalists in Norway and Europe for not managing to kill more people" - but was cut off by the judge, who said this was not the time to address people outside the court.
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posted August 25, 2012 02:15 AM |
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^ The above (about his cell) is not true at all.
check this
This is the cell he'll be in.
Don't believe in what stupid journalists wrote. What they showed is not the high-security prison they are going to put Breivik in.
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posted August 25, 2012 02:18 AM |
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Another evil sensationalist "News Organization", The Local Norway, lies about Breivik's words.
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Asked by the presiding judge whether he would appeal, he reiterated his earlier stance that "I do not recognise this court because you received your mandate from political parties that support multiculturalism."
He added, "I would like to end with a statement of regret. I would like to apologise to all militant nationalists in Norway and in Europe for not having killed more people," but he was cut off mid-sentence by presiding judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen who, visibly irritated, silenced his microphone.
"This is not the point to address anyone outside this courtroom," she said.
"You have to address me. I asked you a question. I interpret you as saying that you take time to consider..."
"I do not take time to consider," Breivik shot back defiantly. After a brief chat, his defence lawyer confirmed that Breivik would not challenge his
sentence, spelling the end of the trial.
The rightwing extremist – who targeted the centre-left government and a Labour Party youth movement because of their support for multiculturalism –
had stressed before his microphone was cut: "In my view this sentence and judgement is illegitimate.
"At the same time I cannot appeal against the judgement because by appealing I would legitimize the court," he said.
The man who killed 77 people last year in a bomb and shooting rampage told Arntzen and her panel: "You have sided with the multicultural majority in parliament."
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posted August 25, 2012 02:21 AM |
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Not talking about this specific moment but I often do wonder if you Elodin understand that not everything published is also the truth ? 
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posted August 25, 2012 02:30 AM |
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124 prisoners, overseen by 230 staff
That's, efficient.
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Not talking about this specific moment but I often do wonder if you Elodin understand that not everything published is also the truth ?
I've noticed that I believe most of what people post as 'fact'. (on HC) though I do double check sources on subjects that I've invested considerable time in.
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posted August 25, 2012 05:54 AM |
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Even though its a speculation its not a far fatched one, and the fact that they censore it doesnt mean nobody heard it, not saying its true what the news say, but Im saying it is probable
I know. I've said twice already that he was probably going to say something like that. I just pointed out that this information would be second-hand, and that the quotes provided so far were actually not completely correct.
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Is the BBC a sensationalist news organization dominated by evil Americans too?
Actually, the BBC got all of the audible part correct, so obviously they are not as bad, even mentioning he was cut off. Don't know where "evil" came from though...
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Another evil sensationalist "News Organization", The Local Norway, lies about Breivik's words.
No, actually they get it right too. I think you're a little too hasty with your posts.
(I can't believe I'm gonna bother to do this, but) Let's sum up all the sources you've provided so far:
Fox News: Norwegian gunman Anders Behring Breivik apologized in court to "militant nationalists" for not having killed more than the 77 people he shot to death in a horrific spree last year.
CBS News: "I wish to apologize to all militant nationalists that I wasn't able to execute more," Breivik said.
BBC: "I wish to apologise to all militant nationalists in Norway and Europe for not managing to kill more people"
The Local Norway: "I would like to end with a statement of regret. I would like to apologise to all militant nationalists in Norway and in Europe for not having killed more people," but he was cut off mid-sentence by presiding judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen who, visibly irritated, silenced his microphone.
Compared to the direct translation of the video, you can see that The Local Norway had the best quotation:
"I wish to close with an apology. I wish to apologize to all militant nationalists in Norway and Europe for not being able to.."[sound cut off]
Anyway, you can keep quoting second hand sources, but by doing so you're just proving my point; it's hearsay. Doesn't mean it's false, but it was not all clear what he said at the end (hence the difference in the quotations above). It's likely he said something of that nature, but he had a whole 3 minute statement prepared, so there is no point in speculating. During the trial he said repeatedly that the mission was partly a failure, since he had planned on killing 200-300 people all together, including decapitating the former prime minister of Norway on video. So it's no shock that he would say something like that.
The point is, his half-statement is not the important thing about the verdict. It might sound shocking, but I would much rather have the international news focus on the law and the verdict itself. How they argued accountability versus legal insanity. Also arguing that to be held accountable for ones actions could be considered a human right. And how they discredited the first psychiatric report. The complete verdict is over 100 pages long, and a solid work!
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posted August 25, 2012 06:18 AM |
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21+ years in prison is much worse than death, I don't get why Elodin so harshly desire Brevik to be crucified, burn, decapitated and skinned alive. Is not like he killed your family.
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posted August 25, 2012 07:54 AM |
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21+ years in prison is much worse than death, I don't get why Elodin so harshly desire Brevik to be crucified, burn, decapitated and skinned alive. Is not like he killed your family.
Let's horrible prisons value list. For example, a rapist, ask a mother? I do not know how the hole is a good welfare, therefore, can not be a long prison years. Prisoner respect of economic criminals.
@DG Jews are speculative thinking.
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posted August 25, 2012 09:28 AM |
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Poland suffered considerably from fascism and communism, yes. The same nation that lost million of jewish Poles to crazed ideology SUPPORTS the same ideology nowadays in a fairly large percentage. Not sure about the exact numbers, but I'm pretty confident that over 50% Poles or so displays various degrees of negative attitude towards Jews - from lack of sympathy to downright hatred. You can google translate the page I linked above, you'll see for yourself. Some of the more obscure posts I found there:
there are people like that, but it's hard to evaluate how many of them there are.
I remember there was an article about french policemen controlling veiled muslims women near a mosquee during the ramadan (because it is forbidden to wear the veil in france) and getting agressed.
well, every single comment was against muslims. I tried to post in their favour a couple of times, and all my answers were erased. basically said that the policemen were stupid and shouldn't be surprised of what happens when they provocate people that way.
so you can wonder if it is really a large problem, or if it is the moderators' job to try to make it worse?
I guess the moderators also didn't like when I posted that they only allow anti-muslims comments
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posted August 25, 2012 11:23 AM |
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The page I linked doesn't have active moderation, just scripts that check for banned words. You need to manually report posts to get them deleted, and for that, you need to be logged in, hence nobody does it and the situation escalates.
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posted August 25, 2012 11:27 AM |
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Anyway, you can keep quoting second hand sources, but by doing so you're just proving my point; it's hearsay.
No, what was reported is not "hearsay." There were acutal reporters in the court who heard what he said and reported what he said. In such a situation when a sentence is "translated" from one language to another there may be a difference in word order or slight difference from the original language but everything important was still there and all reports agreed he apologized to militants for not killing more people.
And I disagree that his statement was not important and that everyone should ignore it. Ignoring such a thing is a slap in the face of the victims and their families and invites more such instances of carnage.
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posted August 25, 2012 03:35 PM |
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And I disagree that his statement was not important and that everyone should ignore it. Ignoring such a thing is a slap in the face of the victims and their families and invites more such instances of carnage.
At this point I've stopped taking you seriously. Norway is a small country, and most of us know someone personally, or know of someone who was involved in the massacre. Don't drag them into your argument, please. The girl I know who survived the island killing would rather not hear more from or about the man. The victims are all thrilled about the verdict. That he's going to be punished. That he's not insane, but evil. That he will be held accountable for what he did. They've been pushing for this for a long time, and that's what they care about. At least according to the Norwegian media. But what do they know, right? It's not like they've been following the case every day during the almost 50 day long trial, and reported similar statements made by him several times already.
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posted August 25, 2012 04:26 PM |
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Ignoring such a thing is a slap in the face of the victims and their families and invites more such instances of carnage.
I think it's opposite. The courts purpose has nothing to do with his agenda. Therefore allowing for it to be applied in such a way, in stead of ignoring the propaganda, is a slap in the face of all those who've been targeted by this.
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posted August 26, 2012 12:51 AM |
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Ignoring such a thing is a slap in the face of the victims and their families and invites more such instances of carnage.
I think it's opposite. The courts purpose has nothing to do with his agenda. Therefore allowing for it to be applied in such a way, in stead of ignoring the propaganda, is a slap in the face of all those who've been targeted by this.
Of course the courts should not promote his agenda and the judge was right to cut his mike. But the reports should certainly emphasize what he said and show what a monstrous freak of a person he is for gunning down children in cold blood as they begged for their lifes, tried to run way, tried to swim away, or lay there playing dead and how he wanted to kill even more than he did.
And worldwide reports should emphasize how much of a total farce the Norwegian "justice" system is that its laws allow such a monstrous freak not only to continue to draw breath but to an extent pampers the monster in the name of "human rights" by giving it 3 cells to live in, a computer, books, a private outside area, ect.
Yes, the dead and their families were certainly "slapped in the face." No justice was done in the courts, and could not be done because of imbecilic laws that protect predators from true justice.
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