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Salamandre
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posted July 27, 2011 09:02 AM

Australian. You are lucky. And ignorant of what is going here.
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posted July 27, 2011 09:33 AM

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Europe is being slowly over run by Islam. They refuse to integrate and they refuse to abide by our laws.



Over run?

Wait what?

From what ive seen it would seem a greater threat that they become completely isolated and declare their own little countries
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posted July 27, 2011 10:06 AM

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Australian. You are lucky. And ignorant of what is going here.


That is quite an absurd thing to say, and the typical rhetoric of someone who is ethnocentric - and cannot look outside their own sphere of experience. However, you're right in that we are lucky. We are lucky in the sense that we are a diverse people, who have not recently experienced a tragedy committed by a man bent on promoting a similar mode of thought to your own.

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Salamandre
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posted July 27, 2011 10:14 AM

Like killing big part of the fauna as soon as they cut a bit in your freedom?

I got used on this forum to "political correct" views, but I also saw that everyone is "acting wise and giving advices" until it happens to him.
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posted July 27, 2011 10:20 AM

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I would just like to highlight the fact that Salamandre was touting the words of a vicious psychopath as wisdom. Seriously man, don't you see the irony? Especially considering the tragedy that has just happened?

Scandinavia has, until recently, been virtually homogeneous, and you are just coming to terms with issues that other countries have been dealing with for decades, if not centuries. The base argument here seems to be one of cultural relativism vs universalism. Because Norway has been culturally homogeneous for so long, you are extremely ethnocentric in your modes of thinking (that being said, I'm only saying that based on the Scandinavian responses on this forum and others and not on Scandinavian scholarly/expert opinion).

Why don't you look at other societies around the world and see how they are dealing with these issues, at this stage all you seem to be doing is openly hating on Muslims. The vast majority of Islamic people are quite moderate, yes there are bad eggs here and there, but these kinds of crazy preachers who harp on about non-integration exist in ALL RELIGIONS.


You can say what you want but as someone who has visited at least 20 European countries, Salamndre man has a valid point, when vast areas in Berlin, Paris, London, Barcelona arent even speaking the native language then you know something isnt quite right...
European muslims make 3 babies on every 1 baby non muslims make and then they get paid for those babies by the social welfare, the irony is ridiculously hilarious but its the price of being so called "noble", history is full of downfalls as such... nothing new here....

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posted July 27, 2011 10:31 AM

I think it is interesting that you equate Muslims to kangaroos.

New argument: Is the Islamic immigration situation the same as the Australian kangaroo situation?

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posted July 27, 2011 10:35 AM

I heard Kangaroo will drop its baby if in danger in order to save herself ????

And I've read about a "bunny serial rapist" in Australia... Who rapes bunnies ? Seriously ???

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posted July 27, 2011 10:55 AM

Are you implying that a Muslim woman would drop her baby if in danger...?

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You can say what you want but as someone who has visited at least 20 European countries, Salamndre man has a valid point, when vast areas in Berlin, Paris, London, Barcelona arent even speaking the native language then you know something isnt quite right...
European muslims make 3 babies on every 1 baby non muslims make and then they get paid for those babies by the social welfare, the irony is ridiculously hilarious but its the price of being so called "noble", history is full of downfalls as such... nothing new here....


This birth statistic is true globally of income vs birth rate. Which you can see here. Israel has the same problem, except for them it is the ultra-orthodox Jews who have the highest birthrate. Not only do they receive welfare, they don't even believe in the state of Israel, and therefore rarely pay tax and avoid conscription. Imagine facing a faction of White Norwegians who felt the same way?

The issue of low income, highly religious ethnic populations and their growth is a global one, however it is almost always sensationalised by the media as being something that will have a drastic effect on atheist/moderate populations in the near future. Overpopulation in general is the problem that people are unwilling to face, not cultural homogeneity.

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posted July 27, 2011 11:19 AM

Hmm... Nope, kangaroo and bunny rapist were just funny facts I have encountered... Wasnt implying anything

I am well aware of the situation in Israel thank you however I find it quite amusing that you would imply that in Europe "only muslims" are poor and that the 3:1 birth ratio has nothing to do with religion... furthermore when you bring orthodox jews in that same equation... Somewhat naive or ignorant view I must say

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Salamandre
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posted July 27, 2011 11:30 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 11:52, 27 Jul 2011.

You didn't get my comparison, as well as previous comment. You pray here how diverse your people is and prone multiculturalism, but it shows that your people can't even handle a few animals taking a few inches of your "property" and is going to slaughter them.

When a problem like Islam and massive migratories fluxes is knocking at your own door, the view change. Believe me or not, you are lucky because they were delayed towards you.
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posted July 27, 2011 01:14 PM
Edited by Seraphim at 13:34, 27 Jul 2011.

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I would just like to highlight the fact that Salamandre was touting the words of a vicious psychopath as wisdom. Seriously man, don't you see the irony? Especially considering the tragedy that has just happened?

Scandinavia has, until recently, been virtually homogeneous, and you are just coming to terms with issues that other countries have been dealing with for decades, if not centuries. The base argument here seems to be one of cultural relativism vs universalism. Because Norway has been culturally homogeneous for so long, you are extremely ethnocentric in your modes of thinking (that being said, I'm only saying that based on the Scandinavian responses on this forum and others and not on Scandinavian scholarly/expert opinion).

Why don't you look at other societies around the world and see how they are dealing with these issues, at this stage all you seem to be doing is openly hating on Muslims. The vast majority of Islamic people are quite moderate, yes there are bad eggs here and there, but these kinds of crazy preachers who harp on about non-integration exist in ALL RELIGIONS.


You can say what you want but as someone who has visited at least 20 European countries, Salamndre man has a valid point, when vast areas in Berlin, Paris, London, Barcelona arent even speaking the native language then you know something isnt quite right...
European muslims make 3 babies on every 1 baby non muslims make and then they get paid for those babies by the social welfare, the irony is ridiculously hilarious but its the price of being so called "noble", history is full of downfalls as such... nothing new here....




Lets declare ethnic cleansing on all muslims,nuke their contries and exterminate their culture.It is the only way to be sure...

If you people are so proud of one culture and no other view,why dont you snowing tell your government to stop messing with arab countries?
The primary reason for immigration is war caused by the US and European countries.

One question to you "Nationalist" lovers. How would your reaction be if that dude was of an arab nationality or was fanatic?

I can imagine that the "Terror" suspect would be charged with crimes against humanity...
Now we decalre this snowo as insane.I gues all the other suicide bombers were poor chaps who got insane aswell...

Fair huh?
I am not religious but I hate to see some gibberish that some people,who do not speak the country in which they live,are supposed to do so.Yeah,freedom of speach I guess,I speak what language i wish.

YOu can not weed out the immigrants with terror acts.That will make them even more isolated.


Go ahead,and make a poll,ask those who came to your country for what reason they got there?

You know,i begin to believe in a conspiracy here. This guy nevr acted alone.
I meean,in a country close by Norway,there is government suopport for anit foreigners. There,the nazi party has a seat in the government aswell.
Well,I guess this dude was supported by the goverment(Atleast somebody who got connections there) aswell.It might be pure specualtion but as time passes,things are getting really "Weird".


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posted July 27, 2011 02:59 PM

I am with Salamandre, smithey: Political correctness is making me sick, and the fact nobody is doing something to at the least ensure the geethos stay so small that intigration is possible is making me sick.

As to you others: You use "political correctness" to deliberatly ignore what we are saying, and then you want to compare Nasionalism with Nazism so that you can have a "you can't fight back" argument.
Here is the thing: If you are a immigrant, and manage to assimilate, you are then welcome in our society. If your second generation kids actually become fluent in our language, you are even more welcome. You have then just raised "National" kids, and you are a proper citizen after doing so.
Here is what I want to know: What are you going to do with the ghettos? If your answer is "nothing, that would be rascism", then please bluntly find someone else to bother, because your ignorance and lack of will to even want to look at it from a rational view should not be legal.
Here is another fun fact: There is 2 large ghettoes in Oslo, HOWEVER there are not large ghetto in Vadsø nor Trondheim. In Vadsø and Trondheim they did not move together in a large enough number to initially create a ghetto, and as a result roughly every second generation immigrants speak proper Norwegian, and they do have a understanding for Norwegian culture.
We want Groruddalen and Grønland to be a bit more like Trondheim and Vadsø, where not assimilating is uncommon.
Europeans want the same as we Norwegian do, the problem is that every time somebody says "can't we do something so that more immigrants get properly assimilated?" you silly political correct people start shouting "NAZI!", just like other silly people start shouting "CHERNOBYL!" whenever somebody as much as suggest to upgrade the nuclear powerplant so that it is a safer and uses less fuel....

And I also ask: Why is it so unreasonable what I want? Beyond the fact you will call me a Nazi Nasionalist because I have said something politically uncorrect, what is there that is a problem about what I am saying?!
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DagothGares
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posted July 27, 2011 03:04 PM

Guys, you wanna know the solution to Europe's immigration problem? Just cut all that sexy welfare. You'll be solving the debt, too!
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posted July 27, 2011 03:10 PM

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Guys, you wanna know the solution to Europe's immigration problem? Just cut all that sexy welfare. You'll be solving the debt, too!


I agree. It makes governments lives easier. And it stops the deadbeats from coming over who want to exploit the welfare. (Mind that I am not implying that all imigrants are deadbeats wanting to exploit welfare)
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posted July 27, 2011 03:29 PM
Edited by Jabanoss at 15:32, 27 Jul 2011.

Or not, welfare is a good thing. Why should it be removed just because politicians can't solve this issue in better ways?
If it even would solve it...
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DagothGares
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posted July 27, 2011 03:40 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 16:06, 27 Jul 2011.

Why don't they integrate?
They don't have to, they get free money.

Why do they come in the first place?
Helloooo, free money, even more free money, if you get more kids!

Why is the economy amassing such large debt?
That's very complicated, but being able to do large budget cuts would certainly help the predicament.

EDIT: Obviously, some forms of welfare are... Well, they aren't necessary per se, but beneficial to society in a way, though I won't argue that. I'm just saying that giving money and services to any inhabit of the country when they refuse to work, even if they can, and they get that money for an indefinite amount of time is a huge waste of money and resources and it increases several social and economic problems.

Obviously, a Belgian man would rather die than giving up his welfare for some reason, so I'll be outta here, before we're all owned by China.
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Salamandre
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posted July 27, 2011 11:56 PM

I don't believe they don't integrate because the money is still there to be given. They do not because they are unable to, uneducated, insensitive and arrogant.

How many of muslim countries actually propose a school of quality, respect of human rights, women equality, access to universal culture, freedom and hope for a progress? What is the notion of respect outside the family meaning for them? What means universal history for them outside a controversial book?

So far we don't have even a single example of valuable integration, not a single country, still some dreamers continue to prone the leftist generous ideas. How long will still take them to realize there is an impassable ravine between the majority of Islam countries and others?

They had their chance, now it is maybe time to take more radical decisions, make new laws and condition the welfare to only perfect integrate populations. No violence, but firmness for once.
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posted July 28, 2011 01:57 AM
Edited by Elodin at 01:57, 28 Jul 2011.

Take a gander at Breivik's cushy future home. What do you think, should one of the worst civilian mass murderers in modern history be treated to "the Ritz" of prisons? I think his cell should be bare, small, and he should be confined there until executed. Unfortunately Norway does not have the death penalty.

Let's see, Brevick killed roughly 90 people. Roughly 20 years is the maximum he can be sentenced for until the possibility of being released. So about 80 days incarcerated for every life he took.

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Confessed mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik may end up serving time in a newly built maximum-security prison that's considered among the world's most luxurious, according to The Telegraph.

The prison, Halden Fengsel, opened last year outside of Oslo and houses around 250 male inmates. But a Norwegian news outlet TV2 claims Breivik will more likely end up in Ila prison, which is less cushy than Halden, but still "a far cry" from the bare cells of American prisons. The BBC reports that Breivik is already there now in a bare cell containing nothing but a toilet, a table and a chair.

The documentary photographer Alex Masi writes that the cells in Halden are equipped "with an en-suite bathroom, a flat-screen TV and various comforts. They measure 12 [square meters--about 129 square feet] and are divided up into units (10 to 12) which share a living room and kitchen," much like a college dorm. Time Magazine described the cells as resembling an Ikea showroom, complete with "stainless-steel countertops, wraparound sofas and birch-colored coffee tables."

The art budget for the facility came in at more than a million dollars, Masi says, while the cells are brightly painted and lack bars on the windows. Inmates take specialty cooking classes or choose from many other courses at an in-prison high school. They can jog around the 75-acre wooded facility or even climb on the prison's rock walls.


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Salamandre
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posted July 28, 2011 02:06 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 02:14, 28 Jul 2011.

76, not 90, not that it makes any difference still. Unless you have closer family ties with the victims, I can't see why Brevik suffering more or less can satisfy one. If for 20 years, prison is hell anyway, does not matter if your bed or TV is of quality. And the penal system will keep him inside for life, as I heard.

He ceased to exist when he shoot the first bullet.
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posted July 28, 2011 02:11 AM

As long as he's kept from hurting people I don't really mind. Let him have all the comforts that other Norwegian prisoners have.

I'm sure those luxurious cells are pretty superior enviroment for rehabiliation in comparison to a small, damp one. Must be good for many of the prisoners.

Then again, you suggesting execution kinda suggests that you're not really in favour of rehabiliation so we're probably worlds apart here ^^
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