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posted July 25, 2011 03:15 AM |
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It is important to remember that he intentionally created a diversion with the Oslo bomb, which he also talks about in his book (something like "Strike in the west, attack in the east") .
And that kept them a little busy PLUS that Norway's leader could have been in grave danger, his office was blasted by the bomb.
Also remember that it is Scandinavia, which has never seen something like this before. Things like this just don't happen here so political parties do not have policemen with snipers guarding them all the time.
As somebody mentioned, this is the worst thing that has happened Norway and all the Nordic countrie since the last world war.
And it is Scandinavia so the police would not kill him on spot unless they had too. Especially not since he eventually turned himself in.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:22 AM |
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I'm not sure about Norwegian Legal System, but perhaps he will serve consecutive sentences?
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posted July 25, 2011 03:24 AM |
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Wow,i hope people wont create a connection between playing games and murdering 90 unknown people. People love to say that shooter games did it to him,diverting the attention to what the real problem was.
Too late.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:31 AM |
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In all of this hell, I'm quite glad it at least didn't turn out to be a terrorist of middle-eastern origin. Would've caused a hell of a lot of misguided hate... rascism and stuff.
Hahaha... sniper units. This is Norway man.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:32 AM |
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That's ridiculous.
LOTS of males plays video games today, especially in Scandinavia.
If anything, the book indicates that he plays video games in order to relax a bit and not focus so much on making all the preparations and bombs etc (he worked very hard, and there is even an "escape from prison" plan in it where he says that he will sleep in the forest for a few days etc).
He says the he thinks it is important to have some fun between his work.
edit: I am also happy that he is a norwegian because this is the most interesting murderer in history imo with his super long book which will be considered a Bible among ultranationalists.
But I will admit that I was a bit disappointed at the start that it wasnt an islamic terrorist, because obviously that would have granted more support to "my" party and put pressure on the politically correct media here to open up for a more interesting and accepted debate.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:33 AM |
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I'd be surprised if any nation that isn't Israel has a fully equipped team of snipers they could drop anywhere any time.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:40 AM |
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Ah yeah... more misguided hate equals more votes for Xerox party 
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posted July 25, 2011 03:40 AM |
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Wow Xerox, did you really look over what you just wrote? Because it sounds... not good. I almost can't believe you said that you wish it was a middle-eastern person. I'm pretty Anders would have thought something similar.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:47 AM |
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I said that AT THE START a part me wanted it to be that in order to open a more open debate about immigration etc here (it is very restricted here, just "omg racism" stuff all the time).
I do not understand why it is wrong to want more votes for your party.
And then isn't it equally "wrong" to say that "I wish it would have been a norwegian who killed his own people (so that racist party would get less votes)"?
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posted July 25, 2011 05:03 AM |
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Perhaps it would be better to have said "I wish no one was killed", then you might not seem like someone who thinks a mass-murder could be used for a political end. The idea that political correctedness should be controlled with violent death goes against the notions of enlightened democracy as far as I'm concerned. Having a middle-eastern man kill a bunch of people does not open up the debate, it incites racism. Judging from what you've said, that seems to be what you want.
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posted July 25, 2011 05:09 AM |
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hmmm, okay, so no death penalty...
*baffled*
so what would you do to punish him? If you put him in jail what would the jail be like?
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posted July 25, 2011 05:21 AM |
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Are you trying to imply that jail is a party? Jail is awful! You think death would be better? Death is an easy way out!
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posted July 25, 2011 06:29 AM |
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So are you for jail because you think it's worse than death?
It's kind of an interesting question though because in the movie Sicko (deleted scenes) Michael Moore did a short bit on the Norwegian prison system (start watching at the 4 minute mark). The prison system there kind of resembles a country retreat. Personally, if you were to ask me Norwegian jail looks like a splendid alternative to being executed.
Even if the choice were made here in the US I'd still prefer prison. It only starts becoming a real decision when you start changing the conditions of the prison, for example would I take a life sentence in the hole (solitary) instead of execution. Errr, probably not...
Anyway, I'll ask the question again, if you are against capital punishment is it because you think life in jail is worse, or is it because of some intrinsic preference?
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wow, here's another clip on maximum security Norwegian prison
"1 million USD worth of artwork, flat screens in every room, recording studio, wood/metal workshop and fully outfitted gym"
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posted July 25, 2011 06:33 AM |
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I think it's because jail is worse. I think if someone does something really really awful, that they deserve to suffer. I won't go into redemption. As far as I'm concerned it would be more economical to knock people off, so I would normally opt for that, but if you're going to make something a disincentive, at least make it a truly horrible one. Mass-murder etc, should be met with some really nasty retribution.
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posted July 25, 2011 06:38 AM |
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really nasty retribution.
Okay, now we're talkin'! *cracks knuckles* So what have you got in store for a mass-murderer?
I'd still like to hear from Salamandre and Xerox btw.
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posted July 25, 2011 07:44 AM |
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I am against death penalty because it is definitive, there is no comeback. We know today that many people in USA -and elsewhere as well- were sent on the chair and later their innocence was proved. If a judge condemn an innocent guy to death, and later it shows the guy was for nothing, then logically the judge should be executed too, because innocent life was taken by his error. Show me a judge who would accept that and still prone death sentence.
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posted July 25, 2011 08:08 AM |
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Sure, that makes sense. However right at the moment we're talking about someone who ordered tons of fertilizer, belonged to a gun club, left a diary and a mini-manifesto, was found on the island carrying automatic weapons, was witnessed murdering people, and also confessed to the authorities.
*raised eyebrow*
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posted July 25, 2011 08:22 AM |
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It would be an inestimable present for him to die in martyr. 20 years to walk around in the same microscopic room will be much more disturbing. His calvary is just starting.
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posted July 25, 2011 08:44 AM |
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I am against death penalty because it is definitive, there is no comeback. We know today that many people in USA -and elsewhere as well- were sent on the chair and later their innocence was proved. If a judge condemn an innocent guy to death, and later it shows the guy was for nothing, then logically the judge should be executed too, because innocent life was taken by his error. Show me a judge who would accept that and still prone death sentence.
Judges almost never overthrow the ruling of the jury, Judges are there to keep things in order and by the law, jury sends you to death row so judge isnt the one to blame, in many states in the US there is no death penalty...
Nothing wrong with definitively relieving some of the poeple of their right to breath the same air as we do, matter of fact that cause of action would probably make others think twice before acting according to their vicious nature...
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posted July 25, 2011 10:15 AM |
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Hmmm, maybe I'm obsessing about Breivek's potential punishment too much but I just ran across this: "Turkish girl reported missing in Norway shooting". It would be a neat type of justice if he was extradited to Turkey to face punishment there 
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